Author: Tony Werten
Date: 03:13:21 02/26/02
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On February 25, 2002 at 04:50:14, Odd Gunnar Malin wrote: >On February 25, 2002 at 04:26:45, Matthias Gemuh wrote: > >>On February 25, 2002 at 02:39:44, Odd Gunnar Malin wrote: >> >>>On February 22, 2002 at 16:10:44, John Merlino wrote: >>> >>>>The next version of Chessmaster is going to have an exercise in which you are >>>>required to remember a position and then set it up on an empty board. Your >>>>thoughts on designing this exercise would be appreciated. Here's what we have >>>>now: >>>> >>>>Beginner -- 4-8 pieces (men), always a legal position >>>>Intermediate -- 8-16 pieces (men), always a legal position >>>>Advanced -- 12-20 pieces, completely random (and possibly illegal) position >>> >>>I don't think this should be random positions. >>>These more random and less chess the position is, tyhe differences between the >>>advanced and the beginner will be smaller. >>> >>>I think you should get this position from real games to ensure that the position >>>is logical so that chess-memory is tested/trained. >>> >>>Odd Gunnar >> >> >> >> >>And who wants to memorize illegal positions ? >> > >I read somewhere about a test with players on this theme. I don't remembere >where (Tisdall?). It was a test done by De Groot to get an idea how the brain of a chessplayer works. ie The difference between an amateur and a grandmaster. With a random position (a dice was used) the difference was very small. I remember seeing Euwe trying to recreate a random position, throwing all pieces on the board, saying "this is nonsense" and refusing to continue. (Must have been a follow up on the original experiment since that was done in 1946 I think) Tony >The result was that with illogical position even GM's had a hard time to get >good score. But soon the positions where logical the difference between >beginners and GM was much bigger. The GM's was getting high score but the >beginner stayed with the same low score. > >So my point was an answer to John Merlino's new function in Chessmaster that its >better let the positions be logical to get a more accurate test/exercise. > >Odd Gunnar
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