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Subject: Re: Another Clever Problem; Samuel Loyd New York Albion 1857, Att. Dr. Hyatt

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 14:35:09 03/06/02

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On March 06, 2002 at 17:33:25, Terry McCracken wrote:

>On March 06, 2002 at 17:09:19, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On March 06, 2002 at 16:21:22, Sune Fischer wrote:
>>
>>>On March 06, 2002 at 15:59:21, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 06, 2002 at 13:55:14, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On March 06, 2002 at 13:09:05, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On March 06, 2002 at 11:20:17, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>[D]8/8/8/8/8/6P1/6k1/4KR1R w
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mate in 3
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Terry
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is a mate in 4, not a mate in 3, as confirmed by EGTBs...
>>>>>
>>>>>Dr. Hyatt with all due respect, EGTBs will _not_ help you with this type
>>>>>of problem. EGTBs look at it as an endgame where it's assumed the King and both
>>>>>Rooks have been moved. Maybe EGTBs can be adjusted for this situation?
>>>>>
>>>>>Castling is the correct solution, which forces mate in 3.
>>>>>
>>>>>BTW CM8000 in mate mode or in normal mode will find mate in 3 instantly!
>>>>>
>>>>>This problem created 145 years ago by Samuel Lloyd when he was not yet 16 years
>>>>>of age, is still considered one of the most famous problems in chess history.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.chessbase.com/puzzle/puzzle9/puzz9-6a.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>The solution can be found at this link.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.chessbase.com/puzzle/puzzle9/games/p9_6.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>> Terry McCracken
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sorry, but if you check the +EPD+ posted for the position, there is _no_
>>>>castling possible.  Which means this is a simple mate in 4 and the EGTB
>>>>results are perfect.
>>>
>>>The position was:
>>>8/8/8/8/8/6P1/6k1/4KR1R w
>>>
>>>if there where no castling possible, shouldn't it have been:
>>>8/8/8/8/8/6P1/6k1/4KR1R w -
>>>
>>>leaving out the "-" probably indicates there might or might not be castle
>>>rights.
>>>
>>>Guess we need to feed the engines all possible combinations...
>>>
>>>-S.
>>
>>
>>The EPD standard is _very_ specific.  There is no such thing as "castling
>>might be legal" because there is no such thing in the game of chess.  It either
>>is or is not.
>>
>>Leaving out the castle status results in invalid FEN.  Putting it in in the
>>given position would also be invalid because the rook is missing.
>
>Tough man to please, then how pray tell can I show such a mate problem?
>
>Terry

Or I should say how do I show this type of mate problem?

Terry



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