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Subject: Re: Another Clever Problem; Samuel Loyd New York Albion 1857, Att. Dr. Hyatt

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 09:18:16 03/07/02

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On March 07, 2002 at 10:46:51, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On March 07, 2002 at 00:27:53, Terry McCracken wrote:
>
>>On March 06, 2002 at 23:48:43, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On March 06, 2002 at 21:29:05, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 06, 2002 at 20:53:25, Jason Williamson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Just a little point...this is the Computer Chess Club, not a general chess
>>>>>forum...hence if you don't put the correct fen string in, then its difficult to
>>>>>use the position with computers.
>>>>>
>>>>>JW
>>>>
>>>>Sounds lazy to me:o)
>>>>
>>>>I've been told the FEN was wrong and ok. So that doesn't help much!
>>>>
>>>>If the FEN is not ok repost my diagram with the correct FEN!
>>>>
>>>>Anyways the "Beauty" of this problem has been lost in all this quibbling:(
>>>>
>>>>Terry
>>>
>>>
>>>The problem is there is _no_ "correct FEN" for a position with a partially-
>>>completed move.  FEN does not allow nor consider such a thing, for good
>>>reason.  How would you indicate what piece is "off the board and 'en route'"??
>>
>>That's not the point! But to you that is all there is to it, and that's that.
>>It's a brilliant problem, that's the point!
>>
>>Terry
>
>
>It's a "brilliant problem" to give someone a position that is _wrong_ and then
>expect them to solve it?  As a diagram in a chess book, it makes sense because
>such diagrams never tell whether white/black can castle or not.  But when you
>post a FEN position description, it _does_ give that information.  In fact,
>it _must_ according to the FEN specification.
>
>That was _my_ point...

Trust me I got your point all too well! First show me the correct FEN and two
you have made it impossible by your FEN rule base to show such a problem as when
a person knows to look for castles, then the problem is ruined!

Please show me the FEN rules, list them please, with an explanation as I am not
familar with them thanks!

Terry



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