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Subject: Re: f5 or Bc1? After 598 minutes....

Author: Slater Wold

Date: 16:41:25 03/07/02

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On March 07, 2002 at 00:36:23, Slater Wold wrote:

>The line to look at is:
>[D]4qrk1/5p2/pBn1b1pQ/1p2p3/4P3/bBPR4/P4PPP/6K1 b - - 0 3
>
>Which is better?  f5 or Bc1?  Do either save the position?


White(1): setboard 4qrk1/5p2/pBn1b1pQ/1p2p3/4P3/bBPR4/P4PPP/6K1 b - - 0 3
Black(1): go
              clearing hash tables
              time surplus   0.00  time limit 598:00 (598:00)
         nss  depth   time  score   variation (1)
starting thread 1
                6     0.09     --   1. ... Qe7
                6     0.14   0.00   1. ... Qe7 2. Rh3 Bxh3 3. Qxg6+ Kh8
                                    4. Qh6+ Kg8 5. Qg6+
                6     0.31  -1.13   1. ... Ne7 2. Bxe6 fxe6 3. Rh3 Kf7
                                    4. Qh7+ Kf6 5. Rf3+ Kg5 6. Be3+ Rf4
         (4)    6->   0.31  -1.13   1. ... Ne7 2. Bxe6 fxe6 3. Rh3 Kf7
                                    4. Qh7+ Kf6 5. Rf3+ Kg5 6. Be3+ Rf4
                7     0.31     --   1. ... Ne7
         (3)    7     0.33   0.00   1. ... Ne7 2. Bxe6 fxe6 3. Rh3 Kf7
                                    4. Qh7+ Kf6 5. Rf3+ Kg5 6. Rg3+ Kf6
                                    7. Rf3+
         (4)    7->   0.52   0.00   1. ... Ne7 2. Bxe6 fxe6 3. Rh3 Kf7
                                    4. Qh7+ Kf6 5. Rf3+ Kg5 6. Rg3+ Kf6
                                    7. Rf3+
         (3)    8     0.56   0.00   1. ... Ne7 2. Bxe6 fxe6 3. Rh3 Kf7
                                    4. Qh7+ Kf6 5. Rf3+ Kg5 6. Rg3+ Kf6
                                    7. Rf3+
         (4)    8->   0.86   0.00   1. ... Ne7 2. Bxe6 fxe6 3. Rh3 Kf7
                                    4. Qh7+ Kf6 5. Rf3+ Kg5 6. Rg3+ Kf6
                                    7. Rf3+
                9     0.89     --   1. ... Ne7
         (3)    9     0.98   1.32   1. ... Ne7 2. Bxe6 fxe6 3. Rh3 Kf7
                                    4. Qh7+ Kf6 5. Rf3+ Nf5 6. exf5 exf5
                                    7. h3 Rh8
                9     3.69   1.18   1. ... f5 2. Rh3 Kf7 3. exf5 Bxb3 4.
                                    fxg6+ Ke7 5. axb3 Qb8 6. Qe3
                9     4.81   1.07   1. ... Nb8 2. Bxe6 fxe6 3. Rh3 Qd7
                                    4. Qxg6+ Qg7 5. Qxe6+ Qf7 6. Qxe5 Qf6
                                    7. Rg3+ Kf7 8. Qd5+ Qe6
         (4)    9->   4.98   1.07   1. ... Nb8 2. Bxe6 fxe6 3. Rh3 Qd7
                                    4. Qxg6+ Qg7 5. Qxe6+ Qf7 6. Qxe5 Qf6
                                    7. Rg3+ Kf7 8. Qd5+ Qe6
               10     5.05     --   1. ... Nb8
         (3)   10     5.31   2.03   1. ... Nb8 2. Bxe6 Qxe6 3. Rh3 Qxh3
                                    4. Qxh3 Kg7 5. c4 b4 6. Kf1 Kf6
               10     8.42     ++   1. ... f5!!
               10->  23.91   0.68   1. ... f57
               11    32.55     ++   1. ... f5!!
               11->  59.23   0.29   1. ... f57
               12     1:18   0.57   1. ... f5 2. Rh3 Kf7 3. exf5 Bxb3 4.
                                    fxg6+ Ke7 5. axb3 Qd7 6. Qh7+ Ke6 7.
                                    Qh5 Qg7 8. Rd3
               12->   1:26   0.57   1. ... f5 2. Rh3 Kf7 3. exf5 Bxb3 4.
                                    fxg6+ Ke7 5. axb3 Qd7 6. Qh7+ Ke6 7.
                                    Qh5 Qg7 8. Rd3
               13     2:08   0.51   1. ... f5 2. Rh3 Kf7 3. Qh7+ Kf6 4.
                                    Qh4+ Kg7 5. Bxe6 Qxe6 6. exf5 Qg8 7.
                                    Qh6+ Kf7 8. fxg6+ Ke7 9. Rg3 Qxa2 10.
                                    Qh4+ Ke8 11. Qe4
               13->   2:30   0.51   1. ... f5 2. Rh3 Kf7 3. Qh7+ Kf6 4.
                                    Qh4+ Kg7 5. Bxe6 Qxe6 6. exf5 Qg8 7.
                                    Qh6+ Kf7 8. fxg6+ Ke7 9. Rg3 Qxa2 10.
                                    Qh4+ Ke8 11. Qe4
               14     6:17   0.80   1. ... f5 2. Rh3 Kf7 3. Qh7+ Kf6 4.
                                    Qh4+ Kg7 5. Bxe6 Qxe6 6. exf5 Qg8 7.
                                    Qh6+ Kf7 8. fxg6+ Ke7 9. Qg5+ Ke6 10.
                                    Qg4+ Ke7 11. Rd3 Rf6 <HT>
               14->   7:26   0.80   1. ... f5 2. Rh3 Kf7 3. Qh7+ Kf6 4.
                                    Qh4+ Kg7 5. Bxe6 Qxe6 6. exf5 Qg8 7.
                                    Qh6+ Kf7 8. fxg6+ Ke7 9. Qg5+ Ke6 10.
                                    Qg4+ Ke7 11. Rd3 Rf6 <HT>
               15    18:17   0.62   1. ... f5 2. Rh3 Kf7 3. Qh7+ Kf6 4.
                                    Qh4+ Kg7 5. Bxe6 Qxe6 6. exf5 Qg8 7.
                                    Qh6+ Kf7 8. fxg6+ Ke6 9. Rd3 Ne7 10.
                                    c4 Bb4 11. cxb5 Qxg6
               15->  20:37   0.62   1. ... f5 2. Rh3 Kf7 3. Qh7+ Kf6 4.
                                    Qh4+ Kg7 5. Bxe6 Qxe6 6. exf5 Qg8 7.
                                    Qh6+ Kf7 8. fxg6+ Ke6 9. Rd3 Ne7 10.
                                    c4 Bb4 11. cxb5 Qxg6
               16    56:36   0.92   1. ... f5 2. Rh3 Kf7 3. Qh7+ Kf6 4.
                                    Qh4+ Kg7 5. Bxe6 Qxe6 6. exf5 Qg8 7.
                                    Qh6+ Kf7 8. fxg6+ Ke6 9. c4 Bb4 10.
                                    cxb5 axb5 11. Rg3 Nd4 12. Qe3
               16->  65:03   0.92   1. ... f5 2. Rh3 Kf7 3. Qh7+ Kf6 4.
                                    Qh4+ Kg7 5. Bxe6 Qxe6 6. exf5 Qg8 7.
                                    Qh6+ Kf7 8. fxg6+ Ke6 9. c4 Bb4 10.
                                    cxb5 axb5 11. Rg3 Nd4 12. Qe3
               17   167:13   0.62   1. ... f5 2. Rh3 Kf7 3. Qh7+ Kf6 4.
                                    Qh4+ Kf7 5. exf5 Bxb3 6. fxg6+ Ke6
                                    7. Qg4+ Rf5 8. axb3 Ne7 9. g7 Ng8 10.
                                    b4 Bc1 11. c4 Kf6 12. Rd3 Qf7
         (2)   17-> 188:14   0.62   1. ... f5 2. Rh3 Kf7 3. Qh7+ Kf6 4.
                                    Qh4+ Kf7 5. exf5 Bxb3 6. fxg6+ Ke6
                                    7. Qg4+ Rf5 8. axb3 Ne7 9. g7 Ng8 10.
                                    b4 Bc1 11. c4 Kf6 12. Rd3 Qf7
               18   360:36     --   1. ... f5
              time=598:00  cpu=200%  mat=-2  n=622584860  fh=40%  nps=17k
              ext-> chk=571753796 cap=124506433 pp=43325312 1rep=334318819 mate=
16960817
              predicted=0  nodes=622584860  evals=641320335
              endgame tablebase-> probes done=0  successful=0
              hashing-> trans/ref=119%  pawn=99%  used=99%
              SMP->  split=7357  stop=1317  data=12/32  cpu=1196:56  elap=598:00


Grrr.  Wish it would have finished that fail.  :(

f5 is better than Bc1, IMHO.  (Which means crap btw.)  But I think it prolongs
the loss.  If that means anything.  I'd like to see the next line though.



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