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Subject: Re: CSTal is better than Fritz7.0.0.6

Author: Thorsten Czub

Date: 01:04:15 03/24/02

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On March 23, 2002 at 18:31:32, James T. Walker wrote:
>Why?  Because Chris himself told me this.  Who knows more about CSTal than
>Chris?  Certainly not you.

chris himself :-))

first: i don't think chris knows more about cstal than i do :-))
second: of course he began a complete rewrite. at was at the time
when version 2.5 was there.

i have no idea what purpl made out of it.

what i wanted to say with WHY was: there is no need for a rewrite.
the old and rusty algorithms from 1996 or 1997 are good enough for fritz7.

the difference between NPS between fritz7 and cstal1 (dos) is
between 17-20 times.



>>33.000 NPS is enough for fritz.
>>Because Fritz is artificial stupidity.

>And CSTal is artificial snail.  It is interesting and fun to play and sometimes
>plays brilliantly but against other computers like Fritz it gets out searched
>and loses more often than not.

how do you know that ?


>I still think the first game loss was due to a
>poor book.  In the second game it had a better opening and played to a draw.
>Two games tell you nothing.

who tells you that i do only have 2 games ?

>Don't know.  I haven't tested it lately.  Used to be 100+ ELO.  Now maybe a
>little less, maybe a little more.  When I ran it on ICC it was constantly
>100-200 below top commercial programs.  This was on a K6-2-350 and later a
>K6-3-450.

maybe the other programs made a step backwards because they had to cope with
king attacks and new paradigm.
maybe the other programs made no real progress.
ever tried fritz5.32 versus fritz7 ?



>CSTal may have been ahead of it's time but it's not going to catch up with
>modern programs by just adding faster hardware.  As Chris said,  it needs a
>re-write.

thats wrong.
my 2 autoplayers say different.



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