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Subject: Re: Computers vs. Humans - meaningless?

Author: Joshua Lee

Date: 15:02:20 03/25/02

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You make a good point, Nigel short for instance was well over 100elo less than
Kasparov, yet he was able to make it to a match and win one game on top of
drawing quite a few. Kasparov won ofcourse but the point is that The best
players lose, and even though you are 100 point underdog, you can win.
I wouldn't count Kramnik out against Deep Fritz just yet as Kramnik is alot
Stronger and i have yet to see him lose to Gulko. If someone can find one game
do share. Also GM's , IM's and Master's Get smacked around all the time by
Crafty yet I doubt Hyatt would say that his Program even on the fastest machines
out there plays 100% over 2500. That really is the argument if Van Wely lost two
games then therefore Rebel is as Strong. Rebel Lost two games as well and in
both Losses Rebel Did NOT play 2500 Level chess, if so it wouldn't have lost.
Weeks prior people said Van Wely Sucks because he lost to some 2500elo GM well
last time i checked a GM only Beat's IM's 3 out of 5 Games so obviously the GM
Knows Something that his opponent doesn't. Since the IM would win those 2 games
does that mean he is as strong as the GM? The ratings might also have serious
flaws , when Kramnik has a 2800+ elo and Fischer in 1972 was 2780 (he dropped 5
after the WC) do you really think that Kramnik is Stronger than Fischer at his
peak? So on the same note 2697elo Van wely might only be 2500 who knows??

Blitz games are great at showing how strong a computer is tactically but 40/2 is
a better time control, other than that What if any of these GM's took on any top
program in a correspondence game? IM Mike Valvo took on Deep Thought and won
both his games even though Deep Thought was looking at more positions than
Deep Blue did in 40/2 against Kasparov!

Computers are Stronger than Most Master's and some Grandmasters but I think
there is alot of fine tuning still to be done seeing how Rebel was lost within
16 moves!



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