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Subject: Re: Ferret vs Gerbil

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 05:42:50 03/26/02

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On March 26, 2002 at 08:37:28, Uri Blass wrote:

>On March 25, 2002 at 19:49:40, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>
>>On March 25, 2002 at 12:50:57, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>Gerbil is clearly more complicated than tscp and gerbil
>>>is also clearly better than tscp.
>>>Gerbil is using hash tables and ponder when tscp does not.
>>
>>Searching faster/deeper via hash tables and pondering does not necessarily make
>>it better. Last I checked, Gerbil relied entirely on piece/square tables. It
>>wouldn't surprise me if TSCP does enough evaluation to beat piece/square table
>>programs (unless it's getting ridiculously outsearched).
>>
>>-Tom
>
>Piece square table with better search rules and hash tables
>and pondering is enough to beat tscp.
>
>The truth is that I have a piece square table program that
>is better than tscp without hash tables, pondering or null move
>
>It is using futility pruning and better time management and
>better order of moves than tscp and few extensions that
>tscp does not use but I have no doubt that
>the search rules can be improved significantly and not only
>by null move pruning and more pruning rules but by better extensions).
>
>
>My latest program has some more knowledge in the evaluation
>but based on tests that I did it is probably
>only slightly better than the piece square table version.
>
>I believe that tscp at depth x is weaker then modified tscp
>at depth x+2 when the modified version has only
>piece square table evaluation and x is not important.
>
>Maybe someone can test both versions against different programs
>in order to find out.
>
>Uri

I can add that claiming that gerbil is clearly better than tscp was based on
results of the tournament of Leo
see the history pages of
http://home.hccnet.nl/leo.dijksman/index.html

Gerbil scored 21.5/28 when tscp scored only 13/28

Uri



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