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Subject: Re: Hammer info. And som SMP musings.

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 08:35:07 03/26/02

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On March 26, 2002 at 10:51:53, Sune Fischer wrote:

>On March 26, 2002 at 10:37:30, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>my argument is that the big and advanced branch prediction of the
>>alpha and the 4 instructions versus 3 of the alpha and the huge
>>L1 and L2 caches of it, add to that cheating on specbench; all that
>>together brings 33% speedup compared to a 32 bits processor.
>>
>>I do not see the 32 to 64 bits speedup for the alpha at all. For sure
>>not a factor 2 as claimed at some places.
>
>But you keep comparing a 1.6 GHz K7 to a 1 GHz Alpha, naturally that will even
>things out. But the Hammer won't be running at 1 GHz.
>
>>If you claim 10-15% that's already a far smaller claim than other
>>claims i saw here, majority is still claiming factor 2 to my amazement.
>>
>>Truth is that it is way harder to clock a 64 bits processor at 3Ghz
>>than it is to clock a 32 bits processor at 3Ghz.
>
>Yep, that's where I have to agree with you, it might be that the Hammer will end
>up running 500-1000 MHz slower than the cheaper 32-bit chips, at least in the
>beginning. But 32-bit won't stay around forever.
>
>Actually the original post only said 10-15%, but compared to what?
>I just assumed is was a K7 32-bit chip at the same clock speed.
>
>>We will see when we can afford processors that are 64 bits AND doing
>>that faster than 32 bits equivalents.
>
>Most bang for the buck is a different discussion....

it is the only question. If intel comes out with a P5 that runs your
program at 5Ghz and gets 2 million nodes a second, then you sure
buy that one if the alternative is a hammer which is 64 bits and
runs at 2Ghz and gets your program 1 million nodes a second.

>-S.



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