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Subject: Re: Cool AMD 450 Mhz....

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:00:23 07/12/98

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On July 12, 1998 at 11:43:09, Don Dailey wrote:

>On July 12, 1998 at 05:45:36, Howard Exner wrote:
>
>>On July 11, 1998 at 16:31:41, Mark Young wrote:
>>
>>>On July 11, 1998 at 14:07:11, Howard Exner wrote:
>>
>>Other lines removed ...
>>
>>>>Some people tweak the bios settings on their motherboards (ram timings
>>>>as one example) which will make some machines different despite identical
>>>>processors. Typically a computer will have the original bios settings set
>>>>conservatively.
>>>>
>>>>I did find the original K6-233 timings on Ed's page were way off. I emailed him
>>>>what my machine found and he made the correction on his page. The original time
>>>>for the K6-233 was the time when the problem was solved (not the time Ed
>>>>wanted - the time when the ply was completed) so in this example it was
>>>>an error in following the directions for the test.
>>>
>>>That makes sense. I know you can tweak the bios settings but not by 20 to 30
>>>percent in speed. I think this might be the cause of some other timing errors he
>>>has posted. If I run the test till rebel finds just the solution, the times
>>>matches up much better on the computers I have at home.
>>
>>The idea of waiting until the ply is complete may escape some
>>testers who normally just record the time to solution.
>>When Rebel 10 is released it might be a thought to revamp this computer
>>processor speed chart to include Rebel 10 and Decade 2.0, replacing Rebel 8
>>and Decade 1.0.
>>I always enjoy these charts on how different processors compare on applications,
>>especially chess programs. Come to think of it, I've always been a glutton for
>>all kinds of Sports stats (I guess these computer charts are the same for me),
>>the funniest coming from the world of baseball... ie: so and so's batting
>>average on a full moon when Grandma's laundry is drying on the clothesline.
>
>
>Waiting for a ply to complete is how we do time tests on tactical
>positions too.  We wait for the solution first, then for the iteration
>to complete.
>
>As far as I know, this was Larry Kaufman's idea.   He noticed that
>the results of this method are much more consistant when comparing
>algorithm changes and one program against another.
>
>I don't view it as a major thing, just a slightly better way of
>doing things because it is more accurate.
>
>- Don


I think the "time to solution" is also a perfectly acceptable way of
tsting.  In a game, I hardly ever "finish the last iteration" so such a
time doesn't mean anything.  I do care about how long it takes me to find
a key solution, because if that time is within the time limit I would have
in a game, I would find it, if it isn't I won't.

This is one reason why my parallel searches have *never* split work at the
root, (excepting the 2-week special edition we used in New York in 1983).
Splitting at the root will definitely have a longer time to solution when
there is not time to complete an iteration...

So picking the time that the program finds the move (fail high) is a
reasonable way to time things, IMHO...  IE this is the way everyone reports
WAC results, not waiting on the iteration to complete.  If we did this, I
would not get wac141, because the fail high happens very quickly (a few
seconds) but getting the mate score back takes me about 2 minutes because I
get hung up in lots of deep checking lines...



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