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Subject: Re: i now see that fritz5 is the #1

Author: Don Dailey

Date: 11:35:22 07/19/98

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On July 19, 1998 at 13:42:02, john c cook wrote:

>i have played fritz5 vs rebel and junior and hiarcs6 and it did come out
>on top but can it be number #1 with people.
>  look like rebel9 may be #1 with people fritz5 record is not as good as
>rebel9  vs humen   am i right or not it was hard for me to belive fritz5
> as #1 i like rebel9 better

That's an interesting question.  I used to argue that slow positional
programs should be better against humans and fast tactical ones should
be better against other computers (relative to their total chess
playing strengths.)   But it has not necessarily turned out to be
that way.

This might be another example of how a reasonable idea may not be
the correct one, I don't know.   The idea that positional programs
should be better against people is based on the idea that positional
play is the computers greatest weakness and that this is how humans
beat them.   But no one ever seems to consider that tactics is the
humans greatest weakness against computers and this is how computers
beat them!   I don't know why no one ever thinks of this but it is
possibly because of our ego-centric nature.  We seem to think that
computers should conform to the human style of playing chess, probably
because we are humans!

A chess master once told me not to worry  about my opponents
too much and play the kind of chess I play best.  He said a common
mistake for weaker players when facing stronger ones was to change
their games out of respect for the masters.   Most common was that
people would avoid tactics even when it was their strength.

Then later a tennis pro told me the same thing.  He said I should
do what I do best, and my tennis game benefitting a lot from that
advice.  I was free to concentrate on my own strengths.

If this advice was extended to computer chess programs, the advice
would be write programs that maximize the things that chess programs
do best.   The point many people miss is that fast programs can
still know quite a bit about chess, the same as I can always improve
on my tennis weaknesses.  But it would not make sense to give up
your greatest strengths to do this.

I don't know what the answer to your question is.  Unfortunately
this is a hard question to answer as the data is sparse.  I do
remember a program a few years ago that had a strong reputation
as being especially good against people relative to other chess
programs.   Against other programs it was good, but not nearly
as impressive.   One characteristic of this program was that it
was extremely fast.  This was the Novag constellation series
of programs.  It was the first program to get an "official"
USCF rating of over 2000 against people.

I know that Fritz is pretty popular with the stronger players
too.  I don't know if it's because of the tactics or because
of the overall chess strength.    Don't make any assumptions
yet about which kind of program is better against people.  I
really don't think there is a known basis for determining this
although I am quite sure you will get strong opinions on both
sides of the coin.

- Don



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