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Subject: Re: Ilya Smirin - Hiarcs 8 ½-½ - Hiarcs was seeing a strong advantage...

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 22:05:01 04/25/02

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On April 25, 2002 at 23:14:38, Jeremiah Penery wrote:

>On April 25, 2002 at 13:33:03, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>take Crafty, use the default hash, and search for (say) 5 minutes, a typical
>>search for 40/2hr time controls.  Then double the hash and try again.  And
>>double and try again.  The time required for the search will vary from 2x-3x
>>(or more)...  In middlegame positions.
>>
>>I posted some test results like this several years ago in r.g.c.c when
>>KomputerKorner asked me to run the test to give some real answers on how
>>hashing affected middlegame positions.  The answer was more than I thought.
>
>I actually remember it being less than expected - I've found the link:
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=crafty+hash&hl=en&selm=7b1o5j%24qhm%241%40juniper.cis.uab.edu&rnum=3
>
>[D]3rr1k1/1p2b1pp/p1b1p3/8/PnBBq3/2Q2N2/1PP3PP/R4R1K b - - 0 1
>
>This position was searched to 11 ply (Crafty version unspecified), here are the
>results for different hash sizes:
>
>        hash table sizes
>time     bytes   entries     nodes searched
>-------------------------------------------
>13:13     96kb        6K        157,085,451
>12:03    192kb       12K        142,633,162
>10:31    384kb       24K        123,762,238
> 9:28    768kb       49K        110,838,220
> 8:38     1.5M       98K        100,802,339
> 7:48       3M      196K         90,979,000
> 7:22       6M      392K         85,975,960
> 6:53      12M      800K         80,347,212
> 6:32      24M      1.5M         76,465,119
> 6:22      48M      3.0M         74,738,532
> 6:13      96M      6.0M         73,253,374
> 6:05     192M     12.0M         71,581,397
> 6:03     384M     24.0M         71,156,722
>
>
>So about 12 doublings in size give a speedup of slightly over 2.  That's not
>such a huge amount. :)

Thenks for the information.
It suggests that 6-7 elo from doubling the hash size is really close to the
truth.

There is a big difference between 6K and 24M but there is not a very big
difference between 6M and bigger hash tables and in my case I guess that there
is not very big difference between 8M hash for chezzz and bigger hash tables.

Uri



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