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Subject: Re: Micro Milestones vs Humans

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:21:52 07/22/98

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On July 22, 1998 at 03:48:48, Howard Exner wrote:

>On July 22, 1998 at 02:59:55, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>
>>
>>What is the milestone in Rebel vs Anand?
>
>3-1 victory in blitz match with an almost 2800 rated player.
>1.5-.5 victory in a game/15 match ...
>>
>>bruce
>
>Is the use of the word milestone the hurdle here?
>
>Remember, my post included this sentence:
>
>Maybe milestones is too strong a word but some kind of site would be
>nice that would showcase the accomplishments of the many programmers in this
>area of computer chess.
>
>I hoped that I made the intention clear by citing a few examples.
>Here are the other ones:
>
>Crafty winning a state championship


this is wrong.  In 1981 Cray Blitz won the Mississippi State Closed Chess
Championship running on a single-cpu Cray-1.  It was the first victory by a
computer over a USCF-master in a tournament (40/2) time control.  In this event,
it won 5 and lost 0.

Crafty has played in one human tournament, the 1997 (or maybe 96) Pan Am held
near the University of Maryland Baltimore County campus.  It was the clear
winner of this tournament with one draw in 7 rounds.



>Genius beating Kasparov in game/30
>Listing the first micro to beat a GM
>The net tournament of game/30 where the computers did so well.
>(Wasn't Ferret part of that computer group?)

yes... ferret, crafty, chessmaster 5000, don't recall the others.  The
significant thing was that there were computers, and there were GM players
(only) and *all* computers finished ahead of the best-finishing GM...  which
was a surprise...

However, I don't think it was a "landmark" issue as this has become more
common in the last 2-3 years as hardware speeds have gotten so fast.

>
>Are the few examples I've given not worthy candidates of accomplishments
>made by chess programs?
>If Rebel-Anand isn't noteworthy which of the above are?
>
>I wasn't looking for some rigid test that the programs had to pass
>to be included. For example, I think an accomplishment would be
>citing some of the current ICC computer ratings. Put in an historical
>perspective that to me is quite an achievement.



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