Author: Mike S.
Date: 07:54:57 05/01/02
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On May 01, 2002 at 09:17:13, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote: >On May 01, 2002 at 09:08:16, Jeroen Noomen wrote: > >>Take the following exampe: I buy MS Office, use the very same look, buttons, >>screens etc. to make a software package that is very much the same, tell the >>world 'Yes, I used MS Office to make this beautiful new package'. You think >>this is legal? I bet you would receive a 'threatening' letter by MS >>immediately. And rightly so. >He was talking about "using" the bought software (in a competition),not making >it part of another package to sell or distribute. Is there anything in the >license that avoid using the software to support another engine? Is not that >even a "feature" in some packages? I do not see anything illegal. The matter >here are rules in a tournament and not copyright rules. You got my point. I'm not so sure if the MS Office comparison is useful... actually, every word processing program or spreadsheet program looks similar, and I'm sure they take ideas from each other (but not code though). I was talking about "officially" using a commercial book, which somebody buys as part of a product, together with his own amateur engine in a tournament. The same question could have been asked for the Fritz GUI and the Powerbooks, for example. The line must be drawn by the tournament rules, not by copyright law in that case. Normally, I would have thoght that developers are glad about the idea that their products would be used like that (too). I'm not sure anymore. It's not the first attempt to restrict usage in a questionable way. Again, I'm not talking about "stealing" data or putting wrong copyright at it. - But it shouldn't be expected that opening books are only used in the private living room, but not in bigger tournaments IMO. Why not? Buy, but don't use...? >>>>(...) >>>>Just attend to my home one time, and I will show you what work and knowledge >>>>REALLY is necessary. >>> >>>This is your point, but not what Russel was talking about. >>> >>>There's no doubt that much work and knowledge is necessary to create a good >>>opening book, but you can't claim rights on chess moves. I.e. if a Rebel program >>>plays an opening line with your book and the game is published, that line might >>>appear in various books people create from games collections. Has a part of your >>>book been stolen by that? >>> >>>But something else I wanted to ask: What if a normal customer (and programmer), >>>who has bought a Rebel program including your book, uses it to support his own >>>engine in a big tournament? He says, if have bought this software, and I use it >>>legally. >>> >>>What about that? >>> >>>I'm not talking about people who take parts of your book and offer it as their >>>own work (that's obviously not ok), but cases where somebody could say "Yes, I >>>use the Noomen openings which I've paid for when buying Rebel Century (for >>>example), for the games my engine XY plays in that tournament." Is this illegal >>>(in terms of law)? >>> >>>I've asked the question before: >>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?227217 >>> >>>Regards, >>>M.Scheidl
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