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Subject: Re: Please, first impressions about improvements in Hiarcs8

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 01:05:00 05/02/02

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On May 01, 2002 at 19:18:15, Peter Berger wrote:

>On May 01, 2002 at 10:51:41, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>I do not think that the word sacrifice is correct here.
>>
>>4 pawns is considered to be more than a piece so the player that sacrificed was
>>yace but it seemed that yace was outsearched because yace evaluats the position
>>at move 26 also as better for hiarcs.
>>
>>There are 2 possibilities:
>>
>>1)Yace was lucky to be outsearched and got a winning position that it did not
>>understand.
>>
>>2)Hiarcs blundered some moves after getting a big advantage by winning 4 pawns
>>for a piece.
>>
>
>As both engines agreed for some time on evaluation 1.) is somehow closer to the
>truth . I definitely disagree with your assessment about piece value though. In
>middlegame ceteris paribus I'd take the piece over the pawns any time.
>
>Peter

piece is usually better than 3 pawns in the middle game but here we are talking
about 4 pawns.

I do not think that piece is usually better than 4 pawns in the middle game.

It is possible to check it by comp-comp game when one program plays without a
piece and another program plays without 4 pawns.

Suppose that white plays without a2,b2,c2,d2 and black plays without
the bishop c8.

Do you expect white to win the game?

I remember that I did some comp-comp games in similiar conditions(it is possible
that I removed different pawns and different piece) and the side without the 4
pawns scored less than 50%.

Uri



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