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Subject: Re: Strength of the engine in chess programs

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:53:46 05/21/02

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On May 20, 2002 at 20:04:21, martin fierz wrote:

>On May 20, 2002 at 10:15:44, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>
>>Let me demonstrate a little thought experiment. If I would gauge (in 2002) the
>>actually most known chess programs against say 1000 human chess players (first
>>step) to get some insight into the Elo numbers, I would expect that the top
>>programs would at best get Elo performances of 2200 - 2350, if I let the engines
>
>2200? you must be kidding! my rating is 2240 FIDE and even if i start all my
>games against fritz with 1.h3 or some other (quite sensible) moves to take it
>out of the book, i have no chance against it.
>maybe someone here could experiment with a few top programs using no book
>against other top programs.

Give up.  This is an old argument that started on r.g.c.c a year or two ago.
I challenged those saying that an engine was 2200 without a book to play mine
in a match.  They wriggled and finagled, and _never_ accepted.  Because they
_know_ this is nonsense, but it makes for a good "troll" or "diversion" for
them..




>
>>How many years from now it will take to develop a real chessplaying robot who
>>could participate in human tournaments completely on his own? Buying new books
>>he reads, asking collegues for some information about this or that,
>>differentiating between truth, lies and irony.   ;-)
>
>i wonder why you have a problem with chess engines using opening books. is it
>that they did not find these moves on their own? if yes: can i ask you about
>your opinion on a computer-generated opening book? that is, an opening book
>which the chess engine works on day and night, finding opening lines all by
>itself? it stores this information and can retrieve it instantly and without
>failure (unlike humans), but unlike today's opening books it has computed
>everything itself.
>the reason i ask is that my checkers program has exactly such an opening book.
>after only a few weeks of analysis of checkers openings, my book contains much
>of the human opening theory for checkers, and some corrections of it. everything
>was discovered by the engine itself. it could never find some of the moves "over
>the board", but this book just serves as a memory for it's analysis - very much
>like a human chess master.
>
>computing such an opening book for chess is much harder, since there are many
>more viable moves. but if you went on to write a screen saver application to
>distribute the task, who knows - maybe something good will come of it.
>incidentally, this is just what dann corbit is doing. jeroen noomen once wrote
>me he also has had some success with automated opening book construction in
>chess.
>
>aloha
>  martin



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