Author: Guido Schimmels
Date: 16:25:48 05/22/02
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On May 22, 2002 at 17:27:29, Christophe Theron wrote: >On May 20, 2002 at 15:41:08, Guido Schimmels wrote: > >>On May 19, 2002 at 11:49:18, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>BTW I'm trying Linux too, but I can't get used to it. I thought it was small and >>>elegant, but actually it is as bloated as Windows and quite slower. >> >>Try WindowMaker or XFCE (which I prefer) as a desktop environment. >>You can boot in both of them with <30MB total memory usage, which >>isn't too much nowadays. > > >I have tried them (they are installed by default in Vector Linux). > > > > >>Then try ROX-Filer as a file-manager and prefer gtk/gnome based apps. > > >The answer you are making here is like telling me that if I find Windows XP too >big then no problem, I can use Windows 95. If you insist on KDE, then those Window Managers are of course useless. As soon as you start a KDE-app, all the system service come up and you gain nothing. But I use Xfce as a replacement for the default Gnome desktop - especially after the integration auf Nautilus :( Xfce doesn't lack any important features compared to the Gnome desktop. It's not like I would suggest using fvwm2. And ROX-Filer can't browse the web, but it's beats Konqueror as a file browser hands down. May machine is a Duron Morgan 1200, 256MB. I use these programs because they are great, not because I lack the resources. As I see it, KDE is currently the best developed desktop environment, printer configuration for example, but most qualitiy apps are gtk/Gnome based. (Gimp, Sylpheed, Evolution, Gnumeric, Galeon, Dillo, ROX-Filer, MPlayer (the best video player out there, though Xine is close), Emacs+Gvim (support X, Motif, Gtk, Gnome, but no QT). KDE ? KDevelop if you look for Visual Studio clone, KOffice needs 2 more years I'm afraid. What else ? Konqueror is a decent web browser. But web designer will never give a damn how their pages work with khtml. Gecko is the only competition to IE. AOL alone will guarantee for that. > >Can you see what's wrong? > >The problem is that KDE is now dominating and probably for good reasons. The reason why it is dominating is the 18 month headstart over GNOME. But the QT-licence will become a problem for KDE as soon as commercial apps are being written for Linux. QT means some 2000$ per developer per year. So KDE has to be much much better than GNOME to win. >Having alternatives in this case is not a good point, it is a bad point. It's >just adding confusion. But the alternatives are there and will always be there, as long as most programming is done by enthusiasts. They programm what they want to use or find interesting. Dissipation is inevitable. It's the responsibility of the distributors to create coherent systems. Linux is still in it's forming years.I don't expect Linux to be a free Windows clone, so that doesn't bother me. >I want to use the same interface that everybody will use. I don't want to arrive >on a computer and discover that I know the OS but I don't know the GUI. > >I don't want to teach Linux to my girlfriend, sister or mother, and realize >later that what they have learnt is going to be useless, because at work they >are not going to use the same GUI. I can't help you here. The situation won't change for the next 3-5 years. Then the smoke will be gone and we'll see what we have. >Because of this, KDE is nowadays actually defining a big part of Linux future. > > > >>Problem is, I admit, there is no real alternative to Star Office/OpenOffice >>and Mozilla/Netscape/Galeon, which means you still won't get very far with >>64MB, if you want to do professional text-processing and painless web-browsing. > > >Yes. > >People saying that Linux is slim and fast are lying. > >It is not. It requires as much and generally more resource than Windows. > >Not a killer. But it must be said. > > > >>>And too hard to use. The guys who write programs for Linux only have the >>>experienced users in mind. Fatal mistake. >> >>Maybe that's still true for too many open source projects, but >>in general this is no longer true. Example: >>GNOME 2 will add lots of support for disabled people. > > >That's a good idea. > >But it is not addressing the main issues... That is actually an important issue. For software to be used in civil service offices it has to meet anti-discrimination laws. Conditio sine qua non. AFAIK Sun is the driving force behind those features. [snip] > Christophe -Guido-
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