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Subject: Re: Can you test Hiarcs 8 on P IV 2.53 vs H8 on the AMD 1.73 Ghz ?

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 05:12:49 05/27/02

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On May 27, 2002 at 08:07:44, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

note that IF you manage to get it to work with intel c++ 5.0,
you first want to generate profile information, then after
that recopmile to get it faster using that profile information
for branches.

intel c++ 5.0
 CFLAGS    = -O3 -G6 -Qaxi -Qxi -Gr -Qprof_genx

then run executable for 10 minutes.

then recompile with:
 CFLAGS    = -O3 -G6 -Qaxi -Qxi -Gr -Qprof_use

apart from the -D defined from crafty which you need to add to this.
this produces a P3 optimized executable.

the P4 optimizations at intel are very buggy. should probably be
seen as a -specbench optimization :)

>On May 27, 2002 at 08:00:35, Slater Wold wrote:
>
>INTEL on an AMD processor. Please let me quote the official
>explanation from INTEL C++ team:
>
> "We did of course not test on the K7 processor, so whether
>  it is slower or faster on the K7 processor than on the intel
>  processor we do not know".
>
>I'll throw you an exe. Take into account that the linux equivalent
>is another 5% to 12.5% faster than that one is for the K7.
>
>Bob isn't awake yet. he'll get soon.
>
>Crafty as usual has an error when compiling under intel.
>
>Your first posting here said you used the default compile from bob.
>how the HELL can you compile for intel 5.0 if the default 1815 source
>doesn't compile at all here?
>
>>Like I said Vince, throw me any EXE you want, and I guarantee the plain 'ol exe
>>off Hyatt's site will beat any Crafty EXE you can give.
>>
>>I used the beloved Intel 5.0 to build an exe for the AMD, and it was still
>>slower.  And everyone knows, you CANNOT get a faster exe than that.
>>
>>On May 27, 2002 at 07:43:31, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On May 27, 2002 at 07:19:34, Slater Wold wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 27, 2002 at 07:07:21, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>If you auto test then in a short match of 20 games it could go either way, since
>>>>>for chess, the speed difference is NOT noticeable.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jorge.
>>>>
>>>>Chess is not all I do.  Nor is it all anyone does on their PC.
>>>
>>>>100% (literally) better graphics than the AMD, using the same video card.
>>>
>>>bandwidth is bigger on P4 sure.
>>>
>>>>30% faster encoding video.  15% faster encoding MP3's.
>>>
>>>same as above. this is all bandwidth limited.
>>>
>>>>These are *not* marginal victories.  These are HUGE gains.
>>>>
>>>>I said in my original post, that I was interested in chess performance, but
>>>>let's be honest here for a second, most people who have a PC don't have a chess
>>>>program installed.
>>>>
>>>>Bottom line:  Whatever you do with your Intel P4 2.53Ghz machine, it will be
>>>>faster than my AMD 1.73Ghz machine.  If that's by 10% or 100%, it's going to be
>>>>faster.
>>>
>>>Not at all. Note that gcc also works under windows (they say),
>>>but the important thing is that there are at least 2 compilers for
>>>windows from which 1 is a very important compiler the visual c++ compiler,
>>>which is way faster for the K7 than intel is.
>>>
>>>You got fooled again by the intel compiler.
>>>
>>>Please look at specint and you'll see that most tests they use intel c++
>>>compiled executables.
>>>
>>>It's sick.



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