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Subject: Re: linux issues

Author: Allen Lake

Date: 20:55:39 05/27/02

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On May 26, 2002 at 19:41:30, Christophe Theron wrote:


>Yes and in the case of Linux it can be achieved by making the GUI as close as
>possible to Windows. KDE is doing approximately that, but they should stick even
>more to the "Windows-like" idea.
>
>But it's not enough and I believe that even some more technical aspects should
>be made more Windows-like. It would attract people like me, and we are many. And
>we are opinion leader, somehow. At least to some modest extend.


When the overal Linux community realizes that this is the quickest road to
mainstream acceptance, then it will happen.  Unfortunately, a lot of the Linux
community seems determined to stay "different" from Windows.  To those folks,
mainstream acceptance will be inevitable once they've proved that Linux is
better than Windows.

Unfortunately, they are too young to know that "good enough" now usually beats
"better" later.


>I use tons of DOS utilities every day, but I guess it is possible to find
>approximate replacements for them in Linux. But that takes time (I have to
>search the Internet and tries lots of them, probably more than one week (not
>full time however).


If you could be a little more specific, others might be able to help you in the
search.  Hopefully we'd all benefit from the attempt, at least.


>Then there are applications that I have not written but are essential for me.
>For example I have an IDE to create Palm applications. The compiler itself is
>GCC so I guess it would work under Linux (but how much time will I have to
>invest before I get it to work?). The IDE is a Windows application, so here I
>have a problem. KDEstudio could be used to some extend, but I would not be able
>to create resources for Palm applications from inside the KDEstudio.


I imagine you've already tried the IDE under Wine, but Win4Lin or VMWare might
also be an option here.

>Finally I have the universal problem to be able to use Word and Excel documents.
>It would be possible to convert all my existing documents one by one to the
>Koffice applications, maybe, but I find these applications to be in an early
>state of developpement at that time. And naturally I would have a problem every
>time someone sends me an MSOffice document by email.


Star Office and Open Office are making some strides here, but they are not yet
100 percent compatible with MS Office.  This will probably be the toughest nut
to crack, unless Win4Lin or VMWare can help.


>But Linux has a target, and it is Windows. If nothing is done to try to catch up
>with Windows, Linux will slowly die. It will not die abruptly like BeOS, but it
>will vanish little by little.


I don't think Linux will vanish, but, in the situation you pose, it will become
more and more marginalized and probably fade back to a hobbyist's OS.


>The problem is that Windows is a fast target. If at the time of release of WINE
>1.0 Microsoft and the whole industry is prepared to launch 64 bits computers and
>OS, all the great effort invested in WINE will be as useful as the great effort
>IBM invested in making OS/2 Warp a perfect Windows 3.1 clone. OS/2 Warp worked,
>but too late.
>
>Microsoft is very good at rendering its own products obsolete in a very short
>period of time, and that is the reason why just "progress" in Linux is not
>enough. It must be progress at the right pace. And it is far from being the
>case, as I have been able to see 3 years after my initial attempt.


Since Microsoft's cash flow depends on that fast obsolescence, I don't think
it's possible to continue in a stern chase.  What the commercial Linux companies
probably have to do is to make their best guess where Microsoft is going to be
in two years and try to beat them to the spot.  Microsoft has traditionally been
reluctant to completely break compatibility with their old stuff, so take
advantage of that history, make your best guess what is most likely to be there
in two years, and make sure Linux has those features completely solid.

What are those features?  I can think of a few -- simple software installs,
up-to the minute hardware support, simple system administration, GUIs for
everything -- but I'm sure others can come up with a richer variety of guesses.


>>I've discovered that there is a huge difference between the Internet Linux
>>community and the commercial Linux community.  The Internet Linux community has
>>a disproportionate share of loud and obnoxious zealots who think everything has
>>to work one way -- their way.
>
>
>That's right. That's why I was calling for "new blood".


I'd rather see some new "old blood" joining in the effort.  Some folks that know
their way around the software business.  Some folks that have actually had to
deal with customers.  Most importantly, some folks who have seen Microsoft up
close, either as competitors or as allies -- who know how they think and how
they operate, where their strengths are and where their weaknesses are.


>Five years?
>
>Who knows where Microsoft will have dragged all its customers to in 5 years.


I hope we'll be able to have that good laugh a lot sooner (two years?) and we
won't care where Microsoft is trying to drag its customers.


>But I hope you understand why faster is necessary. It is necessary to release
>your product before the equivalent product of your competitor is considered
>obsolete.


Absolutely!  That's why I try to keep people like you in the fold.  It's the
best reminder for me how far we have to go.  If I can give you a little hope,
you might stick with me for the ride.

Besides, the ride is more fun when you've got good people to enjoy it with.

Now, where did I put that accelerator?   ;)



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