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Subject: Re: A long time ago, in a CCC far far, away ... There were *HARDWARE WARS*

Author: Slater Wold

Date: 01:27:51 05/28/02

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On May 27, 2002 at 21:46:36, David Dory wrote:

>
>Thanks Slater - quite a * feat *, indeed! I know you must have put in your whole
>holiday weekend on this project. Not to mention the cost$ (no, let's not mention
>that :-) ), and sleep deprivation.

I did this test for me, and only me.  I expected flames, which is fine.
(Although I didn't know Aaron would be so harsh, but oh well.)

It's like the Chevy vs Ford war.  No one wins.  Ever.

>Thanks Aaron - great input/feedback and counterpoint, and hospitality offered.

Sorry I was unable to make it to your house Aaron, but it's not like you live
across the street.  This was a holiday weekend, and just explaining to the GF
that I was building a new computer didn't go over well.  Imagine if I told her I
was going to Austin!

>Vincent, Dan, and so many others - also great discussion.

I was very suprised to see how Vincent reacted/responded to this test.  I
imagined he was going to be the hostile one.  (And instead, it was Aaron!)  He
was very tactful, and very kind.  I appreciate that greatly.

>The P4's superior performance in multimedia I expected. It's fine performance
>with Crafty was a pleasant surprise.

The MP3's, MPEG, and other multimedia tests I ran, I was not at all suprised to
see the P4 win with ease.  Getting 1.0M+ nps in some positions with a single CPU
came as a BIG shock to me.  (Without being overclocked.)  Overall, I have to
say, that P4 does very well.

>Although P4 and Athlon CPU's will certainly change or be replaced down the road,
>I'm sure many members of CCC will remember the work and time that went into this
>test for quite a while.

LOL - I doubt it.  Seemed everyone was disappointed because I didn't do this, or
that, or the other thing.  All I have to say is this:

Chessbase products only come one way.  And look who won in those tests.

That should put ANY questions you may have of who is faster, to rest.

>Not to mention the intersting benchmarks (no, no need to mention them :-) ).

;)

>I recall when PCMag used to do bechmarking very easily - two part-time workers,
>two benches, a bunch of cards and drivers.
>
>In a very short time they had an entire lab, full staff, more equipt. than you
>could shake a stick at. The process took many times longer to complete, even
>with all this support. Once you start it, considering all the possible
>variables, (and any one of them could be very meaningful), it's a truly
>convoluted can of worms.

Well, whenever someone sees someone do a "test", there is always a catch.  Not
the right drivers, video card, memory, this, that.  There is always something
that makes the reader feel the "test" is null.  I tried my hardest not to have
that happen here, but just as I suspect, it was all in vein.

Which I said before, is fine.  I have sat behind these 2 computers now for over
48 hours.  I know which is faster.  No matter who says what.

>Again, thanks Slater, and all.

You're very welcome.  But sorry, don't look to me to do this again.  ;)

Thanks for the kind words David.

>Cue the music, Mr. Williams...
>
>David


On a side note:  I cannot afford to have a P4 and a 2xAMD 1.73Ghz.  My plan was
always to sell the P4, and maybe lose $100 or so.  However, it's not looking
like that's going to happen.  I rarely use my computer for chess anymore, and I
rarely use that 2nd CPU, except for chess.  Therefore, this coming week I will
probably sell my AMD, instead of the P4.  And yes, I am that convinced.





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