Author: Sandi Ordinario
Date: 11:32:37 05/28/02
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On May 28, 2002 at 13:52:52, Terry McCracken wrote: >On May 28, 2002 at 13:40:43, Sandi Ordinario wrote: > >>On May 28, 2002 at 13:25:45, Terry McCracken wrote: >> >>>On May 28, 2002 at 13:16:38, Sandi Ordinario wrote: >>> >>>>On May 28, 2002 at 13:06:01, Terry McCracken wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 28, 2002 at 12:54:47, Sandi Ordinario wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 28, 2002 at 12:52:40, Sandi Ordinario wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 28, 2002 at 12:50:30, Terry McCracken wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On May 28, 2002 at 12:00:56, Sandi Ordinario wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On May 28, 2002 at 11:53:55, Jorge wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On May 28, 2002 at 11:00:51, Sandi Ordinario wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On May 28, 2002 at 09:45:17, Terry McCracken wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On May 28, 2002 at 09:19:30, Sandi Ordinario wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi Mustafa et al, >>>>>>>>>>>>>Last week I wrote about CM on Pentium 3 beating Fritz on Pentium 4 whether >>>>>>>>>>>>>playing White or Black. I optimized Book options, reduced Hash to 2MB and turned >>>>>>>>>>>>>off all options except notation for Fritz. Both software was on 10 sec/move. If >>>>>>>>>>>>>I swapped them on the computers, CM8K run on Pentium 4 would beat Fritz on less >>>>>>>>>>>>>than 40 moves very brilliantly (sacrifices and all). I don't know what to do. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>hope it is not all hype for Fritz. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Then I tried 20sec/move same settings but I raised Fritz's Hash to 4MB on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>Pentium 4 as white. It was able to draw for the first time CM8000 after 80 >>>>>>>>>>>>>moves. Perhaps Fritz is better with more thinking time, that is with higher Hash >>>>>>>>>>>>>setting. What do you think? I think you're trolling! >>>>>>>>>>>>>Sandi >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>http://w1.859.telia.com/%7Eu85924109/ssdf/list.htm >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>TM >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Hi TM >>>>>>>>>>>I looked at the results of the computer tournament and immediately I noticed >>>>>>>>>>>that the top dozen or so were running on AMD Athlon at 1.2GHz but CM and all the >>>>>>>>>>>rest of the runner-ups were on 450MHz. This is unfair. Why does not someone run >>>>>>>>>>>them at the same computer type and speed like I am doing? Perhaps they will get >>>>>>>>>>>a surprise of their life. >>>>>>>>>>>Sandi >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I agree! If this is the case, other variables should be the same or at least as >>>>>>>>>>close as the same as possible. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>regards, >>>>>>>>>>jorge >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Hi Jorge! >>>>>>>>>I am glad you agree with my observations. Perhaps computer software performance >>>>>>>>>should be better regulated. Thanks for your view. >>>>>>>>>Sandi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>To both of you, SSDF does a Great Job, now look at the list with the top >>>>>>>>software running on K6-2 450Mgh 128MB RAM hardware. It is a fair and well >>>>>>>>regulated. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>10 Deep Fritz 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2652 23 -23 945 61% 2570 >>>>>>>>11 Gandalf 5.1 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2646 29 -28 595 57% 2594 >>>>>>>>12 Gandalf 5.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2642 49 -50 202 46% 2673 >>>>>>>>13 Gambit Tiger 2.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2640 30 -29 592 66% 2521 >>>>>>>>14 Fritz 7.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2631 45 -44 250 56% 2592 >>>>>>>>14 Junior 7.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2631 27 -26 739 67% 2507 >>>>>>>>16 Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2630 28 -27 652 62% 2541 >>>>>>>>16 Shredder 6.0 UCI 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2630 65 -62 124 57% 2578 >>>>>>>>18 Fritz 6.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2623 23 -22 1014 63% 2529 >>>>>>>>19 Crafty 18.12/CB 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2617 31 -30 519 53% 2595 >>>>>>>>20 Shredder 5.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2606 31 -30 545 62% 2521 >>>>>>>>21 Junior 6.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2588 18 -18 1483 58% 2533 >>>>>>>>22 Chess Tiger 12.0 DOS 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2587 22 -22 1021 55% 2551 >>>>>>>>23 Shredder 5.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2586 20 -20 1176 56% 2544 >>>>>>>>24 Rebel Century 4.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2571 59 -61 138 44% 2612 >>>>>>>>25 Shredder 4.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2568 23 -22 986 58% 2508 >>>>>>>>26 Nimzo 8.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2554 24 -24 846 53% 2536 >>>>>>>>27 Fritz 5.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2553 24 -23 890 55% 2514 >>>>>>>>28 Nimzo 7.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2551 21 -21 1070 54% 2520 >>>>>>>>29 Junior 5.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2537 22 -22 996 52% 2520 >>>>>>>>30 Gandalf 5.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2532 73 -68 102 60% 2458 >>>>>>>>31 Gandalf 4.32f 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2531 28 -28 627 51% 2524 >>>>>>>>32 Hiarcs 7.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2527 21 -21 1131 47% 2546 >>>>>>>>33 Hiarcs 7.01 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2521 30 -31 525 43% 2573 >>>>>>>>34 SOS 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2520 19 -19 1307 47% 2539 >>>>>>>>35 Gandalf 4.32h 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2518 36 -36 378 53% 2498 >>>>>>>>36 Rebel Century 3.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2517 30 -30 546 49% 2523 >>>>>>>>37 Chessmaster 8000 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2516 44 -45 251 45% 2549 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>http://w1.859.telia.com/%7Eu85924109/ssdf/list.htm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Terry >>>>>> >>>>>>Please refer to my message to Pavel. One end of the spectrum does not provide a >>>>>>good conclusion for anyone. CM8000 should be run on the same hardware as the >>>>>>winner and compared with the rest. This should be more statistically significant >>>>>>unless I'm off my rocker! >>>>>>Sandi >>>>> >>>>>See my response to you after repling to Pavel. >>>>> >>>>>Heck I'll repost it. >>>>> >>>>>No, relative hardware will give relative results. Do you think CM8K magically >>>>>performs better on the a 1.2Ghz machine, relative to it's peers? There is only >>>>>a speed up of approx. 3x on the 1.2 Ghz. The ratings you see correspond >>>>>accordingly. >>>>>That's not "Scientific" and I don't know exactly what you're doing, but >>>>>regardless of that your sample size is also far to small. >>>>> >>>>>Terry >>>> >>>>And so does the tournament result based on one encounter! Sample size is too >>>>small, as you say. Talking about relative results. If CM8000 were run on the >>>>same hardware as the winners and its results were as relative as on the lower >>>>end of the spectrum among peers, you could really convince me. I wrote Thoralf >>>>of this and I haven't gotten his reply yet. Perhaps you could do a >>>>correspondence type of match with your Fritz6 run with Athlon (supposedly better >>>>than Pentium) and I will run CM on the Pentium 4. We could alternate colors >>>>until I am convinced that my setup is a weird one or my Fritz software is bad. >>>>Do not think I am praising CM8000 by any means, I want to prove that what the >>>>world knows is universal because I am not seeing this on my setup and I am no >>>>programmer by any stretch of the imagination. >>>> >>>>-Sandi >>>>Sandi >>> >>>You said "I want to prove what the world knows is universal." >>> >>>What? That CM8K is Best? Or that running on the Faster Hardware is the only Fair >>>Choice? >>> >>>Or Both? >>> >>>Do you really belive SSDF is doing a Shoddy Job? >>> >>>TM >> >>I think we are going off on a tangent in your arguments. You are making me claim >>what I have not: that CM8K is the best or SSDFis doing a shoddy job, to which I >>am saying I have not said this or the faster speed is the only determining >>factor. I want to prove to myself, not necessarily the world that "all things >>being equal" the best software should come up on top which is in line with your >>"relative performance agrument." But I am not convinced unless we examine the >>upper spectrum also. >> >>This is getting to be personal, so let us just play that correspondence game I >>proposed not to prove you are right but I repeat to prove that my setup is weird >>or my Fritz is a bad one. I am myself assuming that the regular Fritz software >>is superior to the CM8000 although this is not what I am seeing with my present >>set-up. So how about it? My email is lightsalt@attbi.com if you care to >>accomodate my proposal of a correspondence-type game. >> >>Sandi > >No, I don't have the hardware sorry. > >If you want contact the SSDF and ask why they don't test CMK8 on the top >hardware. > >It's them you appear to have the problem with. Talk to them. It can't hurt. > >Terry I already did. I wrote Thoralf the tournament director but I am waiting for his reply. Sandi
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