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Subject: Re: Need a little more help re: earlier post of this end game position

Author: Les Fernandez

Date: 00:03:31 06/01/02

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On June 01, 2002 at 02:31:23, Mike Byrne wrote:

>On June 01, 2002 at 01:45:02, Les Fernandez wrote:
>
>>I am still trying to resolve this problem.  Following is a Crafty output
>>announcing ce=-32759 for the following example after a 5 minute analysis.
>>
>>rnb2r1k/8/2pqp1Q1/pp2NpP1/3P4/b2B2P1/1PPBK3/R7 b - - acd 11; acn 7676585; acs
>>31; ce -32759; pv Qd5 Nf3 Qxf3+ Kxf3 Rf7 Rh1+ Rh7 Rxh7#;
>>
>>[D]rnb2r1k/8/2pqp1Q1/pp2NpP1/3P4/b2B2P1/1PPBK3/R7 b - -
>>
>>Do you agree that the analysis is right for this first position?
>>
>>Now if we keep the exact same position but place the black queen on d7 instead
>>of d6 from the previous position the analysis takes alot longer but still should
>>have the same mate as above since the queen on d7 can still go to d5.
>>
>>[D]rnb2r1k/3q4/2p1p1Q1/pp2NpP1/3P4/b2B2P1/1PPBK3/R7 b - -
>>
>>Can someone run these 2 positions and provide me with the results ie ce, pv,
>>acd, acn and how long it took to find the mates in both positions please.  I had
>>posted several of these earlier but trying to see if in fact there is an error
>>on my part or if the chess engines are just having a much more difficult time in
>>finding the 2 solutions.  I would think since in both cases the black queen in
>>both positions can reach the d5 square which should be a mate.
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Les
>
>
>You are thinking ( I believe ) that the position is a win for black if the Q can
>get to d5.  Your analysis show it is BLACK that is getting mated in the pv.
>With the Q on d7 - BLACK can stop the mate.  With the Q on d6, BLACk can not
>stop mate.

Hello Mike,

Thanks for the help I see what you are saying and will have to go back to the
drawing board.  Thanks for the explanation.




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