Author: Adam Oellermann
Date: 05:55:55 06/18/02
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On June 18, 2002 at 08:24:47, Robert Henry Durrett wrote: >On June 17, 2002 at 23:54:37, Slater Wold wrote: > >>On June 17, 2002 at 20:13:26, Robert Henry Durrett wrote: >> >>> >>>I recently contacted Chessbase [info@chessbase.com] and received an email >>>response saying that they will soon provide the information I requested, and >>>more, about the computer. It will appear on their Chessbase News webpage. >>> >>>In the meantime, it's not too late to speculate! >>> >>>While discussing the computer [for the Kramnik match] with my son, who is here >>>at my house for a visit, he noted that "there are plenty of 64-bit 64-processor >>>computers running under UNIX." When pressed for details, he could not give me >>>any because he does not use such "beasts" in his job. Maybe someone here is >>>more familiar with this? >>> >>>The commercial version of Fritz runs on PCs that have Windows operating systems >>>simply because the customers want to put Fritz on their home PCs, which run >>>under Windows. >>> >>>But is there any reason, or LAW, that says that the computer they will use for >>>the Kramnik match cannot run under UNIX? >>> >>>Essentially the same situation applies for word length. The Fritz customers >>>have 32-bit computers, so Fritz is designed to run on those 32-bit computers. >>> >>>But is there any reason, or LAW, that says that the computer they will use for >>>the Kramnik match cannot be a 64-bit computer? i.e. have a 64-bit deep fritz >>>running under UNIX? >>> >>>If so, do any of the "UNIX-types" here at ICD/CCC know how fast the processors >>>could be in that case? Which processors would they use? >>> >>>What do you think? Is an 8-processor 64-bit computer running under UNIX a >>>possibility for the Deep Fritz versus Kramnik October 2002 match? >>> >>>Bob D. >> >>I agree with Dann. There's not a snowflakes chance in hell Chessbase would be >>stupid enough to go against Kramnik on a Linux computer. (Which does have a >>64-bit OS.) >> >>Why? Simple! >> >>If they decided "Hey! We can get some serious speedups using this 64 CPU with >>Linux! We'd have a better chance at winning!" then not ONLY do they have to >>sell Fritz, they also have to sell Linux. >> >>Linux is a damn fine OS. There is absolutly nothing at all wrong with it. But >>it is *FAR* from the standard OS of the common computer user. >> >>Also, 64 bit CPUs are NOT common. Most people don't have $2k to go spend on a >>PC, let alone a single CPU. Besides, a computer running dual, quad, i2 Pentium >>CPUs is NOT a PC. It's a super-computer. I believe the goal at hand, is >>beating Kramnik with a computer that most people can at least "relate" to. I >>can "relate" to an 8-way Xeon. I cannot "relate" to an 8-way i2 box. >> >>They want people to see this computer, (no matter what it may be) running the >>same OS that they use everyday, beat this Super-GM. They don't want people >>saying, "Sure, it won. But what the hell is Linux?!" > >"The Fritz guys" have already advertised that the computer to be used for the >match will be more powerful than Deep Blue. Kramnik said that too. I think >they are somewhat obligated, or at least that's what I want. > >Bob D. I don't think that anyone would honestly say that *any* current Win32 machine is more powerful (from a raw computation perspective) than Deep Blue's hardware platform. I would suggest that an 8-way SMP box isn't even in the neighbourhood. There is some argument to be made about the software (but it's likely to be a "holy war"), given that so little is known about Deep Blue's internals. Regards Adam
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