Author: José Carlos
Date: 10:35:12 06/24/02
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On June 24, 2002 at 13:02:13, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >On June 24, 2002 at 12:43:47, José Carlos wrote: > >>On June 24, 2002 at 12:27:40, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >> >>>On June 24, 2002 at 12:03:09, José Carlos wrote: >>> >>>>On June 24, 2002 at 08:38:51, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hi Bob, >>>>> >>>>>you made really a good work for amateurchess and persons which have questions. >>>>>And this now hundrets of years. >>>>> >>>>>I hope you have a long time (future) interest on computer chess, I mean I will >>>>>also in the next year write a chess program and need your help. >>>>> >>>>>A good example for professionals. >>>>>But the most have only interest to make mony and not to help other programmers. >>>>> >>>>>That`s computer chess, unfortunately! >>>> >>>> That's life, not only computer chess. Everyone wants to make money from his >>>>job. Don't you make any money at all from your job? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> José C. >>>> >>>> >>>>>Best >>>>>Frank >>> >>>Hi José, >> >> Hi Frank, >> >>>I have no interest to make money with computer chess. >>>With computer chess :-) >>> >>>It's my hobby! >> >> Exactly. That's my point. People depend on their proffessional success in >>order to get money for a living. My answer was pointed to your sentence "A good >>example for professionals. But the most have only interest to make mony and not >>to help other programmers." >> Now think of your own job -I don't know what it is, but hopefully you do ;) -. >>You want to be good in your job for not being fired. If you can do something >>others can't, you'll be more valuable to your company; they'll pay you more and >>make your life easier. If you teach all your secrets to the others so that they >>can do it as well as you, but they also can do other things you can't, you'll >>probably be worthless to your company... and fired. >> This is a competitive world. >> Computer chess is a very hard area for being a proffessional, harder than most >>other areas. Computer chess has many talented amateur programmers kicking >>proffesionals, sharing ideas and source code, etc. >> Just imagine someone would create cars and give them for free, and then a lot >>of people get interest in free-cars and start working together to create cars as >>good as the "commercial". Car companies would lose a lot of income -> a lot of >>people would lose their jobs. Then, just then, imagine someone complaining about >>"proffessional" car-builders not sharing knowledge... >> I also like to see the profis here in CCC, but I understand they keep their >>secrets well hidden... They need money to eat! >> >> José C. > >Hi José, > >good comments! >I can not write my points in a perfect English. >But I must not write my points because your opinion is good for me as I can say >"I agreed to 95%" :-) > >The important point for me is that we can find in chess fora much fans of >commercial programs. So for this group of people it's better if commercial >programmers more write about chess and other interesting topics (not only about >his program). Also helps for amateur chess programmers are important ... I mean >a commercial programmer must not give all secrets but can help in the most of >the questions. > >And here I must say, I like the work from John Merlino (as an example). > >I don't know that a lot of people losed here job with a little bit more >cooperations. I mean we produce new jobs if professionals with amateurs more >working (teams are important). We have x possibilitys to make a little bit. > >Example (I wrote this today in German fora): > >I don't like the bad organization from ICCA. >A very bad work for me in the latest years. > >Now: >User give 50 Euro in a year for a memberchip. >If 500 persons give 50 Euro we have 25.000 Euro for more possitiblys to organize >a user friendly WM. > >We can give programmers money for visit the tourneys or can give prizes. We can >create a webpage with much good information about the WM with an online magazine >(like the work from John with his News Letter) and can added downloads of chess >programs for members of this page. We can sent two persons to the WM tournaments >for give live comments in chess fora etc.. > >We can play a qualify tournament on chess server for the WM. > >At the moment we have a problem with computer chess. Bad organizations ... and >in this case we not the chances to try that more persons have interest on >computer chess. > >Sorry for my English, I hope you understand my points. > >Best >Frank Don't apologize, my english is also bad. ;) I think I see your point. If programmers are closer to the customers, more and more people can get interested in computer chess. Well, this might be true, though I admit I don't know. For example, there's a wide market for computer chess in proffessional chess players. Those don't care at all about the programmers; they just want a powerful tool to train with. There's also the user who just wants to play some games and learn from the computer. They also don't care about the programmers. They probably appreciate someone like John Merlino who kindly answers their questions about how to do this or that, but Chessmaster users dont "need" Johan de Konning at all (except, of course, for writting the engine). Finally there's CCC (and similar forums). I like when Ed or Amir show up and coment on something, yes, though it's not a necessary condition for me to buy a program. In summary, it seems that only a small part of potential customers is interested in having the programmers comment in forums. So I'm afraid I fail to understand your point :( José C.
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