Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 08:23:09 07/16/02
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On July 16, 2002 at 10:02:42, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On July 16, 2002 at 09:18:38, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On July 16, 2002 at 04:55:43, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >> >>>On July 15, 2002 at 19:32:18, James T. Walker wrote: >>> >>>>On July 15, 2002 at 12:27:17, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 15, 2002 at 12:09:51, James T. Walker wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On July 15, 2002 at 09:38:23, K. Burcham wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Websters: "to make a person believe what is not true". "to be false". >>>>>>>"deliberate misinterpretation of facts". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>What do you think Kasparov means by "deceive the public". >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Kasparov On losing to Deep Blue: >>>>>>> "The Deep Blue match is the one people remember. >>>>>>> It was not just a personal defeat but a disaster for chess. We allowed a >>>>>>> computer giant to steal the result and deceive the public". >>>>>>> >>>>>>>http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=410 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>kburcham >>>>>> >>>>>>I think Kasparov was implying that the Deep Blue team cheated. He simply could >>>>>>not accept the fact that the computer beat him fair and square. There is no >>>>>>medicine that can cure a bruised ego when it is world class in size. >>>>>>Jim >>>>> >>>>>If that would be the case, we wouldn't have to face the situation that GM >>>>>players have excluded CC from human tournament chess. They all agree with >>>>>Kasparov that it wasn't DEEP BLUE2's strength alone. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Absolute nonsense! "They all agree" ???? They can't all agree on ANYTHING. >>>>Also GM players have not excluded computers from human chess tournaments. Where >>>>did you get that info? GM players as a group can't agree on the time of day. >>>>Jim >>> >>>Such hip-hop makes no sense. You were talking about a "bruised ego". Are you a >>>psychiatrist? If not, then you might understand what I was talking about. Do you >>>challenge me and think that there is _no_ evidence for what I've written? If >>>yes, then let me give you three hints. >>> >>>1) Unzicker a famous German GM, BTW more famous than all the ex-Soviet GM in the >>>USA together, spoke it out, what I wrote above. >>> >>>2) GM at the Dutch Championship denied to play FRITZ with different variations >>>of boycott. >> >>Only a couple. Not "all"... > >Right, I didn't write "all". > You did say "they all agree ..." >> >> >> >>> >>>3) The resolution of FIDE about machines in top event and also team >>>championships. >>> >> >>What about the "resolution" 10 years ago that computers could play if >>they coughed up $10,000 to FIDE for membership? Nobody did because it >>was too much money. So FIDE rescinded the option, probably hoping that >>one day they would get asked again to open that back up and make some >>money. > >It's always a problem to compare times, different centuries and the people >involved in each case. It becomes quickly a multi-factor design. > > > >> >> >> >> >> >>>Mathematically we still have no 100% but we have _more_ than "absolutely" >>>nothing. ;) >> >> >>Actually you have "very few". I don't even think "most GMs" have given the >>question any thought since it isn't an issue in FIDE events. >> > >You'd find silent majorities wherever you look. I don't understand why you still >think that relations between chessplayers and CC aren't a bit legless these >days. > "a bit legless" doesn't explain what you mean here... >Rolf Tueschen > >> >> >>> >>>Rolf Tueschen
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