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Subject: Re: The failure of validation with DEEP BLUE 2

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 06:23:53 07/17/02

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On July 17, 2002 at 05:24:50, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On July 17, 2002 at 00:03:24, K. Burcham wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>In game 2,  Kasparov thought that there was human interference with this line.
>>He requested the logs to see for himself that these two moves were actually in
>>the Deep Blue eval.
>>Kasparov did not think any program would play 36.axb5 avoiding 36.Qb6 or the
>>move 37.Be4.
>>
>>But it seems that todays programs will accomplish what Deep Blue was trying to
>>do in the game.
>>Deep Blue opened up the a file and blocked Kasparov's play with 37.Be4, limiting
>>blacks mobility.
>>
>>Below in the examples you will see that two of todays strongest programs will
>>also accomplish this same objective. Both Fritz7 and Chess Tiger 14.0 will open
>>the a file and control the a file. also both Fritz7 and Chess Tiger 14.0 will
>>play Be4 limiting Kasparov's mobility with black.
>>
>>All three programs, Deep Blue, Chess Tiger 14.0 and Fritz7 put the
>>squeeze on black, blocked with the Be4 move, opened the a file, threatened to
>>capture blacks bishop, forced black to protect the loss of pawns, etc.
>>
>>I started each program after Kasparov's move 35...Bxd6.
>>after  each program analyzed for several hours, I took the line from each
>>program and played it through to the position after blacks move 40.
>>This way we can cover both controversial moves>
>>
>
>What is the error in such experiments?
>
>Answer: You can't _prove_ something as authentic with repetitions on different
>machines built-up _after_ the event. History of CC has shown that we could never
>exclude special preps right on to the point. Therefore, logically, we cannot
>accept such "proofs".

You _can_ disprove Kasparov's main "claim".  That "no computer would play ..."
By demonstrating that at _least_ one computer _would_ play that move, his
statement is disproven for all time.  And the rest of his claim can therefore
be taken with a mountain of salt.



>
>The deconstruction of DEEP BLUE 2 right after the event, in special with the
>knowledge of the prior attitude of the DB team, which was one of secrecy (not a
>single game score existing!), speaks against the validity of DB2 output.
>
>THe deliberate deconstruction invalidates DB2 results. Just compare it with the
>refusal of passing the doping test directly _after_ the race.
>
>It's so basic!
>
>Rolf Tueschen



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