Author: Sune Larsson
Date: 16:34:27 07/31/02
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On July 31, 2002 at 18:44:48, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On July 31, 2002 at 16:19:27, Sune Larsson wrote: > >Of course being a dutchman too like timman i don't want to give >the impression i'm part of the defense of mr Timman. > >DIEP picks rd4 at 4 ply already and keeps it. however score ain't >draw score. I hope you could show me how you draw after rd2. i have >a +1.2 score white up after rd2. Yes, I believe Timman would have drawn the game after 26.-Rd2. Black gets the activity and counterchances needed to hold the game. In several variations black ends up with a +pawn on the qs. Like 27.a4 Rxb2 28.Rb5 Rxb5 29.axb5 Bc4 30.Rb1 Re8. Or 27.b4 Rxa2 28.Ra5 Rxa5 29.bxa5 Rb8 30.Rb1 b5. Black frees his game and should be able to draw. Neither Fritz nor Shredder come close to your +1.2 after 26.-Rd2. > >On the other hand however, Rab8 definitely is a pure blunder. Jan is >getting a bit older now, but in reality Jan is showing how a western >GM played from the previous generation. > >In the days that Jan Timman was young, he was a brilliant player, but >in west-europe, in contradiction to the countries behind the iron curtain, >they were not training their pupils in tactical skills very well. > >So where Jan Timman, had he been born as a russian, would have been a sure >world champion, simply because his only weakness - making now and then >a slip of the finger. > >Because imagine how this grandmaster, not so long ago number 2 >on the FIDE ratinglist, and even counting short+kasparov who were >not having a fide rating at that moment, Jan still was number 4. > >Imagine his playing strength without slip of the fingers! Yes, I share your opinion of Timman as a chess player. This man has a tremendous talent. In those days single talents in Western countries rose by their own. Without organized training from experienced GM.s Ulf Andersson, Sweden and Bent Larsen, Denmark are other examples. By the way, a slip of the fingers is a good explanation of this Rb8 vs Berg. Computers keep their hands more steady so to speak... ;-) Sune > >>I won't dive into the discussion whether top programs have >>GM strange or not. We all know that GM:s make tactical mistakes, >>suffer heavily from severe time pressure, sometimes lose concentration, >>are influenced by their feelings/moods etc. Almost unexplainable mistakes >>also happen. Like in the game below. >> >> >> [D]r2r4/pp3pk1/4bp2/7R/8/5B2/PP3PPP/5RK1 b - - 0 26 >> >> >> This is from the game IM Berg - GM Timman, Malmö 2002. >> Move 26 and no time pressure. Here Timman played 26.-Rab8?? >> His chess knowledge is far beyond playing such a move in this >> position. With the natural 26.-Rd2 black would have saved the draw. >> Activity is vital - activity in rook endings is super vital. Black is >> under pressure and must create counter chances. Of course Timman knows >> this and more - so why really did 26.-Rab8?? happen? Not so much tactics >> here either. Fritz7 immediately chooses 26.-Rd2 with +0.47 for white. >> After 26.-Rab8 Fritz shows +1.34. The whole game below. >> >> >>[Event "Sigeman & Co Malmo SWE"] >>[Site "Malmo SWE"] >>[Date "2002.06.07"] >>[Round "2"] >>[White "Berg, E."] >>[Black "Timman, J."] >>[Result "1-0"] >>[ECO "B03"] >>[WhiteElo "2514"] >>[BlackElo "2616"] >>[PlyCount "79"] >>[EventDate "2002.06.09"] >>[Source "Mark Crowther"] >>[SourceDate "2002.06.10"] >> >>1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. c4 Nb6 5. exd6 exd6 6. Nc3 Be7 7. Qf3 c5 8. >>dxc5 dxc5 9. Be3 Nc6 10. Rd1 Nd4 11. Bxd4 cxd4 12. Nge2 O-O 13. Nxd4 Bf6 14. >>Ndb5 Qe7+ 15. Be2 Nxc4 16. Nd5 Qe5 17. Nxf6+ gxf6 18. O-O Qxb5 19. Rd4 Qe5 20. >>Rxc4 Be6 21. Rh4 Rfd8 22. Bd3 Qg5 23. Bxh7+ Kg7 24. Rh5 Qg4 25. Be4 Qxf3 26. >>Bxf3 Rab8 27. Ra5 a6 28. b3 Rd2 29. h3 Bc8 30. Rd5 Rxa2 31. Rd8 Rc2 32. Re1 a5 >>33. Ree8 f5 34. Bd5 Be6 35. Rxb8 Bxd5 36. Re5 Rc5 37. Kh2 Kf6 38. f4 Rb5 39. >>Rd8 Bc6 40. Rd6+ 1-0 >> >>Sune
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