Author: Pointer
Date: 09:52:23 08/01/02
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On August 01, 2002 at 10:32:58, Uri Blass wrote: >On August 01, 2002 at 10:05:48, Pointer wrote: > >>On July 31, 2002 at 14:24:46, Mike S. wrote: >> >>>On July 31, 2002 at 14:00:23, pavel wrote: >>> >>>>(...) >>>>That rating list will suggest strength of the program based only on those 1000 >>>>positions, and thus can be easily tweaked by anyone to play good only on those >>>>1000 positions. >>> >>>By including 1.000 mini-books for those positions. Or use carefully tuned sets >>>of parameters the engine activates, depending on the position. >>> >>>But not by normal means IMO. What is good for position #1, may be bad for >>>position #2, etc.etc. "Easily tweaked by anyone" seems a bit optimistic :o) >>> >>>Referring to the idea itself, I think anything which is more complicated that >>>"ready, steady, go!" won't ever be done by SSDF. Their methods will remain >>>simple, common critizism and suggestions which I read regularly since I'm >>>online, are usually ignored. >>> >>>Baseline: If you want a rating list done differently, you have to do it yourself >>>(which many people do). >>> >>>Regards, >>>M.Scheidl >> >> >> >>You both are wrong! >> >> >>When you optimize your programm to play these 1000 different positions >>successfully you generally increase the playing strength of your pogram. >> >>Even the 20 NUNN positions are enough for a generally increase of the playing >>strength by tuning only these 20 positions. But the NUNN positions could >>be a bit too special. You would get a NUNN-Elo instead of a average-chess-ELO >>strength. >> >>Books are NOT allowed. >>The programs play without any book, beginning at the selected starting >>positions. (it's clear, i dont know how you got the idea of 1000 mini-books ...) > >You cannot forbid books because there is no practical way to >know that book are not used without the source code. from the theoretical point of view you are right! but in reality all people can observe the thinking line, and the chessprogrammer has a VERY BIG job to make the thinking line consistence to the moves saved in the 'secret' book. instead of wasting years of full-day work to integrate 1000 tricky-secret-opening-books in his programm he should better work at the chess-engine > >The only thing that you can do is to limit the >size of the book together with the program >because finding how much memory the program use >is easy. > >I think that books are not very important and >when you have many initial positions wasting time >about building books is not going to give much maybe you are right, maybe you are not right. who knows .... >unless the time control is blitz. why unless the time control is blitz ?!?!? > >Uri
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