Author: Chris Carson
Date: 11:02:22 08/01/02
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On August 01, 2002 at 12:57:06, Otello Gnaramori wrote: >On August 01, 2002 at 11:58:46, Chris Carson wrote: > >>On August 01, 2002 at 11:47:35, GuyHaworth wrote: >> >>>Did Hiarcs do enough to earn a GM norm, had it been carbon rather than silicon? >>> >>>Does FIDE acknowledge such achievements, or not? >>> >>>How can Hiarcs (or any engine) accumulate norms over time ... by proving that it >>>is the same program that accumulated the previous norms ... given that ... >>> >>>Hardware/software combinations have a habit of evolving and might ... to quote a >>>phrase ... go down as well as up. >>> >>>g >> >>GM norms are only for humans. FIDE will not allow any computer to play in FIDE >>sanctioned events. Tiger, Junior, Fritz, Hiarcs, Rebel and the King all have >>very good (2600 and 2700, norm strength) results. >> >>SW Versions and HW are important. The SSDF list is a very good reference and >>Tony's page provides Human vs Computer results as well. > > >Dear Chris, >I'm back in the forum after a long absence. >I was wondering if in this long discussed debate are we just comparing apples to >oranges ( as many people think) or are we hitting against the human proudness >that doesn't admit to be beaten by a piece of "hot silicon" running at tot Ghz. > >My Best, >Otello Apples to apples. Chess is Chess. Human performance vs machines or other people is measurable. Human proudness can account for some of the resistance to factual data (irrational beliefs). However, there is another dynamic at work. Some people rely on "research" funding and money is a strong motivator. Money can be a motivator to overstate chess program skill (let the buyer beware) and can also be a motivator to understate chess program skill (it is harder to get "research" funding for your pet project if computer chess skill is above a certain level). Another motivator I have seen in this debate is that of loyalty to friends. Program/HW/ASIC X is the best ever and nothing will ever be better because my friend created it, thus all other chess programs/HW must be shown to be sub-par. One last motivator is that some people just like to argue. They have a need for human conversation/contact and are willing to argue (troll) to get it. Chris
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