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Subject: Re: To Robert Hyatt, Dan Corbit, Christophe Theron , And Other Experts.

Author: Mike Byrne

Date: 16:26:16 08/05/02

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On August 05, 2002 at 15:11:44, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On August 05, 2002 at 12:05:56, Louis Fagliano wrote:
>
>>On August 05, 2002 at 11:45:28, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On August 05, 2002 at 11:10:55, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>>
>>>>Do computers make decisions?
>>>>If so, what is your definition of a "computer decision" and how it relates and
>>>>differs from human decisions?
>>>>
>>>>Please cite examples. This can be from chess to any area of so-called "machine
>>>>intelligence", please give _your_ answers, as well as information that can be
>>>>obtained on the net.
>>>>
>>>>Your help with these answers will be greatly appreciated!
>>>>
>>>>Thanks in Advance.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>> Terry McCracken
>>>
>>>
>>>A couple of points.
>>>
>>>First, _yes_ a computer makes decisions.  For example, you can use an
>>>external A/D converter to measure two temperatures in a steam plant and make
>>>a decision as to which burner should be turned up or down based on those
>>>measurements.
>>>
>>>Second, does a computer make decisions like _we_ do?  Impossible to say.  IE
>>>can you _prove_ that the human mind doesn't rely on anything other than pure
>>>binary values?  Nobody has to date, so that is an open question.  Wouldn't it
>>>be funny if we one day find out that at the elementary level, everything we do
>>>is on/off?  :)
>>
>>I'd have to question that because brains of living biological creatures do not
>>operate digitally but rather holistically.
>
>How can you prove that?  IE that at some basic biological level we are not
>just storing zeros and ones???  It can't be proven _yet_, so it is simply
>all conjecture.  But one day it won't be and we will _know_ whether we are
>really unique creatures or just highly advanced finite state machines...
>
>
>
>>  Early on in the evolution of life it
>>was a clear advantage if a bacterium reacted appropriately to an external
>>stimulus and the way to do that was by pattern recogintion (holoistically)
>>rather than digitally on/off.  Pattern recognition is very hard to achieve if
>>done digitally.
>
>I don't believe that at all.  IE You define the pattern you want to recognize,
>I will write a program to do it.  And given enough processors to do the
>recognition in parallel (as the human mind does it) I can probably do it
>faster.  And more accurately.
>
>

Bob,

You are right on , as usual.  Perfect practical example already in use is the

by the FBI with a billon dollar computer system ready to match up to 40 million
prints on file.  That is clearly pattern recognition.

http://www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2001/1112/web-fbi-11-15-01.asp



>
>
>>
>>>
>>>Perhaps one of the best examples of "making a decision" is in computer chess,
>>>where the computer has to choose between N moves and pick just one.  That is
>>>_clearly_ a decision...







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