Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 19:21:52 08/27/02
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On August 27, 2002 at 12:51:37, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote:
>On August 27, 2002 at 11:47:03, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On August 27, 2002 at 07:57:40, Steve Coladonato wrote:
>>
>>>On August 26, 2002 at 23:59:03, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 26, 2002 at 14:10:25, Steve Coladonato wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 26, 2002 at 11:15:26, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On August 26, 2002 at 07:08:40, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On August 26, 2002 at 02:51:44, Lei , Shiann-Tzong wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My internet friend tell me , his Fritz7 can run under Linux
>>>>>>>>via x windows interface , But , I have tried it , and can not do it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Who can tell me , if it can be done or not ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My internet friend use a dual computer with a mandrake linux 8.2 .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Regards .,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Lei , Shiann-Tzong @ TAIWAN
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What is the benefit to run Fritz 7 or any other Chesss Programs under Linux, if
>>>>>>>it was NOT meant to run under that operating system? When an airplane is
>>>>>>>designed to run with JP8 , I would not care if it run under any other fuel. I am
>>>>>>>not saying that Linux 8.2 is not a good operating system, simply what I am
>>>>>>>saying is, that it wasn't written to run under Linux.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Pichard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The idea is to get rid of the closed, buggy, lousy, bloated, virus-like,
>>>>>>expensive OS called Windows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you don't see the point, I can tell you that *I* can see it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Christophe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That pretty much hits the nail on the head. Now when can we expect to see
>>>>>commercial programs available for Linux? CA is written with Borland's
>>>>>programming environment and Borland has released a version of the environment
>>>>>for Linux. I would expect to see a CA for Linux but it hasn't happened yet.
>>>>>
>>>>>I believe ChessMaster is entrenched in the Windows environment and probably
>>>>>would require a major rewrite as would Fritz, Shredder, et al.
>>>>>
>>>>>Right now, the Xboard engines and SCID are where it's at on Linux. And it ain't
>>>>>too bad.
>>>>>
>>>>>Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm investing some of my time in Linux. I *will* produce a version of the Chess
>>>>Tiger engine for Linux, as soon as possible (probably sometime in 2003). Maybe
>>>>in the form of a XBoard engine.
>>>>
>>>>I think that the first releases of Chess Tiger for Linux will be free (not open
>>>>source, just free like in "free beer"). I'm not completely out on this.
>>>>
>>>>One thing that could stop me from producing a free version for Linux is if one
>>>>could run the Linux executable under Windows.
>>>>
>>>>I'm now absolutely convinced that Windows is going to disappear and Linux will
>>>>replace it. It might take 10 to 15 years, I don't care. It is necessary, it will
>>>>happen, and BTW it cannot be stopped. I want to be part of this revolution, and
>>>>maybe it will be with a free Chess Tiger for Linux.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Christophe
>>>
>>>
>>>Linux and "free" are not synonymous.
>>
>>
>>I know they are not.
>>
>>It's just that I want to contribute to Linux in some way, and I see no point in
>>releasing a commercial version of Tiger at this time. There are not enough
>>people using Linux to make any money from it now. But it will change in the
>>future.
>>
>>As I am planning to use Linux as the developpement platform for the engine,
>>releasing a free version of Tiger will not cost me anything, and there is no
>>loss for me from releasing it for free.
>>
>>Actually the 32 bits version of Chess Tiger is developped since 1997 with the
>>GCC compiler and the RHIDE developpement environement. It's just that I was
>>running them under Windows in a DOS box.
>>
>>I have found that RHIDE is now available under Linux, so I now have the
>>developpement tools I'm used to under Linux.
>
>I am moving to Linux (I installed it few days ago). I do not think I will
>abandon windows at all but I really want to get familiar with linux; hence, I
>want to start developing in that environment to feel how it is. Besides, a code
>that runs in different OS with different compilers has better chances to catch
>bugs.
>
>I used to use RHIDE before MVSC. Great news that RHIDE is in Linux!
>I will try it.
>
>So far, I am struggling a little bit but it is a matter of getting familiar, I
>guess.
Yes you have to struggle. I don't know about you, but I felt like a beginer when
I started with Linux. Most of the thing I knew, and that came from DOS and
Windows, were of no use under Linux.
Doing the simplest thing was a pain...
What is important to keep in mind: it's a pain not because Linux is difficult or
bad. It's a pain because you think you are experienced, but actually you are
just a beginer.
>>> I have always said that I would be more
>>>than happy to pay for a commercial program that ran on Linux. By that I mean
>>>something equivalent to CA or the original Shredder. Not just an engine. A
>>>free engine for Xboard would be nice but a free engine that hooked into SCID
>>>would be better.
>>
>>
>>It will come. I'm not planning to offer free Linux versions forever. But I want
>>chess lovers to know that soon Linux will be a very interesting choice for them.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Windows isn't going to go away in the near future but, like you, I think it is
>>>doomed. Linux has a way to go but I use it 99.9% of the time. Like today, I
>>>applied a Mandrake update and it broke my internet dial-up, so I'm writing this
>>>from the Windows partition. I have to go back and fix Linux. They (the Linux
>>>distros) have to fix that.
>>
>>
>>That's nothing compared to what Windows has repeatedly done to me (and the whole
>>world actually) in the last 12 years.
>>
>>Windows has to disappear, and now I know that it will.
>
>What makes you change your mind? some time ago you felt that Linux was not
>friendly enough to compete with windows. Was there a particular GUI or
>something? I am curious.
I discovered what I said above: Linux was not difficult, it's just that I'm
starting back at square one.
And also if you think about it: there is *NOTHING* that can stop Linux.
The main doubt you can have about Linux is: is it possible that many people
working in random places and in random order and without a clear central leader
produce some piece of big, complex, organized code?
If you do not know about what's happening out there, you will answer: NO, it's
not possible.
And then you search the Net and discover that it is possible, and actually has
been done. You ask questions, you get answers. You discover the incredible
amount of work that has been done, and that it covers almost every area you can
think about.
Once this question is cleared, what's left?
What can actually STOP Linux?
You can think of plenty of reasons why something like Windows, OS/2 or MacOS can
disappear. The main reason is that they depend on private companies, that can
disappear or change their strategies. They also are under attack from
competition. To stay, they depend on economics.
Linux does not. The simple fact that it has grown from nothing to where it is
without economic support demonstrates that it CANNOT disappear anymore.
It is a competitor for every OS out there and CANNOT suffer from their
competition. It is going to receive support from every company that once had an
OS that has been killed or hurt by Windows. It's not hard to guess the outcome.
There is very little Microsoft can do about (actually against) Linux.
The only way out I see for Microsoft is to make Windows free and open source in
a few years and to shift their business to other areas in order to survive.
Maybe they know it already and have started that move.
Christophe
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