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Subject: Re: Piece Values

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 17:08:33 08/16/98

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On August 16, 1998 at 19:04:51, Bruce Moreland wrote:

>
>On August 16, 1998 at 16:17:51, fca wrote:
>
>>An interesting effect of the above is assuming both sides had a bishop pair to
>>start off with, the "close exchange" of B + N  v  R + P would cost
>>
>>10 + 9 + 1 (loss of B-pair) v 15 + 3
>>
>>i.e. 20 v 18
>>
>>i.e. 2/3 of a pawn down for the loser of B+N.  I think this is wrong, and should
>>be 1/3 pawn.
>
>Around a whole pawn, in my experience.  It is a classic mistake for a computer
>to get R+P+minor positional comp for B+N.
>
>The cases I've seen, B+N often outplays R+P+P, if it happens early enough and
>the pawns aren't super-nice.
>
>When my program loses B+N for R+anything, I expect it to lose.
>
>> If we up R to 16 it also produces a more reasonable result v Q, as
>> (ignoring 2 rooks in case there is a 2-R bonus)
>>
>>R + B + P  v  Q
>>
>>with my amendment gives
>>
>>16 + 10 + 3  v  29
>>
>>i.e.  29 v 29
>>
>>i.e. fits in with my OTB observation that R+B+P v Q often holds...
>
>Early enough on, I think I will take the queen, every time.
>
>bruce


I probably would too.  But I don't think I'd ever give away two rooks and
a pawn for a queen, as Stuart has in his current piece values.  That's a
lot.  Too much, IMHO.  Seriously too much.



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