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Subject: Re: test positions, white begin and draw(can you find all the solutions?)

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 01:31:56 09/05/02

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On September 03, 2002 at 11:43:11, John Merlino wrote:

>On September 03, 2002 at 09:29:24, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>I am going to put the following positions in my test suite(they seem to be easy
>>for the top programs but not easy without the relevant knowledge)
>>
>>Can you find all the solutions?
>>I give a list of candidate moves and I am almost sure that the solutions are
>>only from the candidate moves.
>>
>>[D]8/8/3R2p1/1qb4p/8/p5P1/1pk2P1P/4Q1K1 w - - 0 76
>>
>>candidate moves:Rd8,Qe4,Qd1+
>>
>>Movei played Rd2+ that is a losing move.
>>
>>possible line 76.Rd8 g5 77.Qd1+ Kc3 78.Qf3+ Kb4 79.Qe4+ Kb3 80.Qe6+ Ka4 81.Qe4+
>>Qb4 82.Qc2+ Ka5 83.Ra8+ Kb5 84.Qd3+ Qc4 85.Rb8+ Bb6 86.Rxb6+ Kxb6 87.Qxc4 b1Q+
>>88.Kg2 and it seems that white can draw by perpetual check.
>
>Chessmaster, on a PIII-733, chooses Qe4+ in less than one second, but switches
>to Rd8 after 3:24, but it does not show anything close to a drawing score:
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>0:00	1/3	-2.19	6248		76.Qd1+ Kc3 77.Qe1+ Kb3 78.Qe6+
>					Qc4 79.Rd3+ Kb4 80.Qe1+ Ka4
>0:00	1/3	-2.09	9524		76.Qe4+ Kb3 77.Rd2 Qc4 78.Qxg6
>0:00	1/3	-1.97	10258		76.Rd2+ Kb3 77.Qb1 Qc4
>0:00	1/4	-2.19	20192		76.Rd2+ Kc3 77.Rd7+ Kb3 78.Qe6+
>					Qc4 79.Rd3+ Kb4 80.Qe1+ Ka4
>0:00	1/4	-1.83	25984		76.Qe4+ Kb3 77.Qe6+ Qc4 78.Rd3+
>					Kb4 79.Qe1+ Kb5 80.Qe8+ Ka5 81.Qa8+
>					Qa6
>0:00	1/5	-1.83	49824		76.Qe4+ Kb3 77.Qe6+ Qc4 78.Rd3+
>					Kb4 79.Qe1+ Kb5 80.Qe8+ Ka5 81.Qa8+
>					Qa6
>0:01	1/6	-1.42	115391		76.Qe4+ Kb3 77.Qe6+ Kb4 78.Qe1+
>					Ka4 79.Qe4+ Qb4 80.Qe8+ Kb3 81.Qe6+
>					Kc2 82.Qxg6+ Kb3
>0:02	1/7	-1.39	198838		76.Qe4+ Kb3 77.Qe6+ Kb4 78.Qe1+
>					Ka4 79.Qe4+ Qb4 80.Qe8+ Kb3 81.Qe6+
>					Kc2 82.Qxg6+ Kb3 83.Qe6+ Qc4 84.Rd3+
>					Kb4
>0:05	1/8	-1.59	481834		76.Qe4+ Kb3 77.Qe6+ Ka4 78.Qe4+
>					Qb4 79.Qe8+ Kb3 80.Qe6+ Kc2 81.Qxg6+
>					Kc1 82.Qg5+ Kb1 83.Rd1+ Ka2 84.Qd5+
>					Qb3
>0:15	2/9	-1.80	1522190		76.Qe4+ Kb3 77.Qe6+ Ka4 78.Qe4+
>					Qb4 79.Qe8+ Kb3 80.Qe6+ Kc2 81.Qe2+
>					Kb1 82.Rd1+ Ka2 83.Qc2 g5 84.Qb1+
>					Kb3 85.Rd5 Qb6
>0:48	3/10	-1.79	4721469		76.Qe4+ Kb3 77.Qe6+ Ka4 78.Qe4+
>					Qb4 79.Qe8+ Kb3 80.Qe6+ Kc2 81.Qe2+
>					Kb1 82.Rd1+ Ka2 83.Qc2 h4 84.Qb1+
>					Kb3 85.Rd3+ Ka4 86.Qd1+ Ka5 87.Rb3
>					Qe4
>1:40	4/11	-2.05	10200620	76.Qe4+ Kb3 77.Qe6+ Ka4 78.Qe4+
>					Qb4 79.Qe8+ Kb3 80.Qe6+ Kc2 81.Qe2+
>					Kb1 82.Rd1+ Ka2 83.Qc2 Bd4 84.Qb1+
>					Kb3 85.Rd3+ Bc3 86.Rd8 h4 87.Ra8
>					hxg3 88.hxg3
>3:24	4/11	-1.90	19651309	76.Rd8 Kb3 77.Qe6+ Ka4 78.Qe4+
>					Qb4 79.Qc2+ Kb5 80.Qd3+ Qc4 81.Rb8+
>					Bb6 82.Qd7+ Qc6 83.Qd3+ Kb4 84.h4
>					Qb5 85.Qe4+ Kb3 86.Qe6+ Kc3
>7:19	5/12	-1.90	41380792	76.Rd8 Kb3 77.Qe6+ Ka4 78.Qe4+
>					Qb4 79.Qc2+ Kb5 80.Qd3+ Qc4 81.Qd7+
>					Ka5 82.Qb7 Qb5 83.Qa8+ Qa6 84.Qe4
>					Bxf2+ 85.Kg2 Bc5 86.Rb8 Bb6


I believe that chessmaster does not see the chances
of white for a draw by perpetual check.
If I follow the main line of chessmaster in the first plies
I  probably get a draw.

76.Rd8 Kb3 77.Qe6+ Ka4 78.Qe4+ Qb4 79.Qc2+ Kb5
80.Qd3+ Qc4 and now 81.Rb8+ Bb6(forced)
82.Rxb6+ Kxb6(forced) 83.Qxc4 b1Q+(forced) 84.Kg2

84...a2 seems to be a draw by perpetual check

Black has other alternatives but I doubt
if they are enough for a win.

Uri



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