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Subject: Re: Ruffian 0.76 is still playing incredible strong!

Author: Jason Williamson

Date: 15:50:30 09/19/02

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Yace is an example of an engine that came on the scene very strong, if i recall.

On September 19, 2002 at 17:37:32, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On September 19, 2002 at 14:46:59, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>
>>On September 19, 2002 at 14:20:12, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On September 19, 2002 at 11:47:01, Sune Fischer wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 19, 2002 at 11:24:49, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>The only thing that concerns me is that anytime a brand new and unheard-of
>>>>>engine pops up, it is cause for concern _and_ suspicion.  It might be perfectly
>>>>>legitimate, who knows.  But remember "voyager", "le petite", "bionic impact",
>>>>>"gunda" and others?
>>>>>
>>>>>Jumping way up to near the front of the pack is not easy.  Doing it without
>>>>>ever having been to a public event is even more unlikely.
>>>>>
>>>>>It would be interesting to examine the executable if anyone has a copy, to
>>>>>avoid the suspicions before they start to grow...
>>>>
>>>>That suspicion is natural, but if this engine really is that strong, then he
>>>>must have improved a lot on Crafty or whatever code he used.
>>>>There has been many Crafty clones, but no one actually stronger than Crafty
>>>>AFAIK, so Ruffian is really not your average clone in that case.
>>>>
>>>
>>>It depends.  IE on any given day, crafty can beat anybody, or be beaten by
>>>anybody.  Look at the results for "Le Petite".  It looked very strong.  Yet
>>>it was an absolute copy...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>But apart from that, have you ever really gone over all the open source programs
>>>>out there, and what about the CCC archives? There is plenty of information
>>>>available to build a mighty strong engine. I don't think it could be done in 6
>>>>months, but who knows how much time he spent on it, hopefully it was a good
>>>>decade ;)
>>>>
>>>>-S.
>>>
>>>That's the point.  I can't imagine someone working on an engine, in a vacuum,
>>>for a decade, before anyone finds out about it.  I can't imagine anyone writing
>>>a program in 6 months that would come close to beating _any_ top program.
>>>
>>>Anything is possible, I will agree.  But the probability is so low that it
>>>will make people wonder...
>>
>>I hope you realize that you have essentially *publicly* leveled an accusation
>>without presenting any evidence. I would prefer in such cases that either an
>>investigation be conducted discretely or a wait and see policy be followed.
>
>
>I haven't leveled _any_ accusation whatsoever.  I asked a direct question,
>pointing out what has happened in the past.  I have _not_ said that this
>program is a "clone" or anything else, and you can feel free to find some-
>thing I wrote that does make that claim...
>
>As I said previously, I find it _hard_ to believe that a newcomer would be
>that strong.  _not_ impossible, just _unlikely_.  I stand by that...  If some-
>one takes that the wrong way, fine by me...



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