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Subject: Re: AMD new processors

Author: Slater Wold

Date: 00:40:08 10/02/02

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On October 01, 2002 at 11:57:42, Aaron Gordon wrote:

>On October 01, 2002 at 09:39:40, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On October 01, 2002 at 09:25:17, Aaron Gordon wrote:
>>
>>>On October 01, 2002 at 07:54:15, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 30, 2002 at 09:09:12, Aaron Gordon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On September 30, 2002 at 04:11:57, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On September 30, 2002 at 01:43:52, Aaron Gordon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On September 30, 2002 at 00:21:12, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On September 30, 2002 at 00:05:40, Slater Wold wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I got the annoucement in August that the 2600s would be coming out soon.  It is
>>>>>>>>>now September and they are barely rolling out.  (As in, several vendors who are
>>>>>>>>>selling them don't actually have them yet.)  AMD is horrible about this.
>>>>>>>>>Announce a chip, and 3 months later it hits the streets.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well, it's a paper launch, and most every company does it at some point or
>>>>>>>>another.  Does AMD do it more than most?  I can't answer, because I don't keep
>>>>>>>>track of those things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Intel does most of the paper launches. I the 2600+ is the only time I've seen
>>>>>>>AMD try that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I remember a lot of other launches. The K7 was announced 2.5 years before
>>>>>>it was on the market. specs were posted 1.5 years before it was on the
>>>>>>market and then it still wasn't there. Now you can cry about intel delaying
>>>>>>the K7 by some 'blackmail' (i do not know how to call it otherwise as
>>>>>>my english is not too well; they didn't want to deliver their intel chipsets
>>>>>>to mainboard manufacturers who wanted to make K7 motherboards and 90+% of
>>>>>>their sales were intel boards at that moment, so they actually needed them
>>>>>>bigtime). You can cry about other things too, but both manufacturers are
>>>>>>already drumming years ahead about new things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My own drumming about a diep windows version is completely amateuristic
>>>>>>compared to their drumming up to 7 years ahead.
>>>>>
>>>>>Just because they post specs doesn't mean they're going to release it soon
>>>>>after. Only when they announce that they're going to release it should you start
>>>>>the clock. :)
>>>>
>>>>Without jokes, i only get serious about a new processor when i receive
>>>>the first benchmark of DIEP at it. That's usually 6 months to a year
>>>>ahead of market introduction.
>>>>
>>>>And that's pretty well needed, because if such a processor is going to
>>>>be the new standard, then it's not really stupid to take loads of time
>>>>to rewrite a part of the engine such that it works better at it :)
>>>>
>>>>>They posted the specs and THEN announced it. Not the other way
>>>>>around. Hammer specs have been around for a LONG time now. Yeah, they did say
>>>>>they were going to support up to 8 cpus for the K7's and yes we haven't seen
>>>>>those. Most likely because of market demand.
>>>>
>>>>Most likely because they didn't get it to work. I have a dual k7 and i'm
>>>>very happy about it, but i always have the impression it's a very instable
>>>>system compared to for example a dual P3.
>>>>
>>>>You simply don't want to know how many reboots i need, killing of explorer,
>>>>reinstalls of windows, etcetera.
>>>>
>>>>My dual P3 i installed the same software and same OS/servicepack like at
>>>>this machine and the dual P3 is completely working without problems.
>>>>
>>>>Then there is other problems for AMD to get processors stable to run SMP.
>>>>
>>>>We have already up to 300Mhz higher clocked new XPs, than there is MPs.
>>>>
>>>>I'm not saying intel is a hair better here with the P4. Not at all. By
>>>>keeping L1 caches small at it, they manage of course to clock it that
>>>>high.
>>>>
>>>>But even if you clock a P4 to 3.5Ghz, then still the same 'unstable' AMD
>>>>is way faster.
>>>>
>>>>I wonder how 'stable' that hammer is.
>>>>
>>>>Producing 1 such a cpu doesn't mean they can produce it cheap for everyone.
>>>>
>>>>So i wait till i have more reliable results on the hammer for DIEP.
>>>>Basically i lack having a cross compiler for it.
>>>>
>>>>>I have seen dual/quad opterons
>>>>>though so at least there is SOME hope. Slate is probably right, we probably
>>>>>won't see the 2800+ for another month. Same for Intel's P4-3GHz. Probably will
>>>>>see that released in December (but it's being announced today or sometime soon).
>>>>
>>>>1 month is easy waiting for. but 1 year...
>>>
>>>I'm not sure what you're doing wrong but I've had/seen NO problems as far as
>>>stability goes with ANY of my AMD systems. I have a feeling most people in here
>>>will tell you aside from the general Windows bs that dual AMD's are just as
>>>stable.
>>
>>how many dual AMDs have you got and what time do you leave them running
>>before rebooting?
>>
>>best regards,
>>Vincent
>
>Personally I own none. Only one dual AMD I have access to runs 24/7 is on a UPS
>and both cpus are at 100% load constantly (doing OGR-25 for
>www.distributed.net). It serves as my friends router, file server & game server.
>Currently it has over 3 months uptime. This is only due to power outages here in
>Texas due to storms and etc. His UPS isn't fancy, it'll only last 30 minutes or
>so. As you could probably guess it runs linux. So far I haven't had any
>problems.

My AMD system runs pretty well.  About the only time it reboots, is when it
reboots itself.  Something to do with a freaky Windows XP / NVADIA GeForce 4
problem/thing that was supposed to be fixed in the last driver but wasn't.



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