Author: Slater Wold
Date: 00:40:08 10/02/02
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On October 01, 2002 at 11:57:42, Aaron Gordon wrote: >On October 01, 2002 at 09:39:40, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On October 01, 2002 at 09:25:17, Aaron Gordon wrote: >> >>>On October 01, 2002 at 07:54:15, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On September 30, 2002 at 09:09:12, Aaron Gordon wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 30, 2002 at 04:11:57, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On September 30, 2002 at 01:43:52, Aaron Gordon wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On September 30, 2002 at 00:21:12, Jeremiah Penery wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On September 30, 2002 at 00:05:40, Slater Wold wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I got the annoucement in August that the 2600s would be coming out soon. It is >>>>>>>>>now September and they are barely rolling out. (As in, several vendors who are >>>>>>>>>selling them don't actually have them yet.) AMD is horrible about this. >>>>>>>>>Announce a chip, and 3 months later it hits the streets. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Well, it's a paper launch, and most every company does it at some point or >>>>>>>>another. Does AMD do it more than most? I can't answer, because I don't keep >>>>>>>>track of those things. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Intel does most of the paper launches. I the 2600+ is the only time I've seen >>>>>>>AMD try that. >>>>>> >>>>>>I remember a lot of other launches. The K7 was announced 2.5 years before >>>>>>it was on the market. specs were posted 1.5 years before it was on the >>>>>>market and then it still wasn't there. Now you can cry about intel delaying >>>>>>the K7 by some 'blackmail' (i do not know how to call it otherwise as >>>>>>my english is not too well; they didn't want to deliver their intel chipsets >>>>>>to mainboard manufacturers who wanted to make K7 motherboards and 90+% of >>>>>>their sales were intel boards at that moment, so they actually needed them >>>>>>bigtime). You can cry about other things too, but both manufacturers are >>>>>>already drumming years ahead about new things. >>>>>> >>>>>>My own drumming about a diep windows version is completely amateuristic >>>>>>compared to their drumming up to 7 years ahead. >>>>> >>>>>Just because they post specs doesn't mean they're going to release it soon >>>>>after. Only when they announce that they're going to release it should you start >>>>>the clock. :) >>>> >>>>Without jokes, i only get serious about a new processor when i receive >>>>the first benchmark of DIEP at it. That's usually 6 months to a year >>>>ahead of market introduction. >>>> >>>>And that's pretty well needed, because if such a processor is going to >>>>be the new standard, then it's not really stupid to take loads of time >>>>to rewrite a part of the engine such that it works better at it :) >>>> >>>>>They posted the specs and THEN announced it. Not the other way >>>>>around. Hammer specs have been around for a LONG time now. Yeah, they did say >>>>>they were going to support up to 8 cpus for the K7's and yes we haven't seen >>>>>those. Most likely because of market demand. >>>> >>>>Most likely because they didn't get it to work. I have a dual k7 and i'm >>>>very happy about it, but i always have the impression it's a very instable >>>>system compared to for example a dual P3. >>>> >>>>You simply don't want to know how many reboots i need, killing of explorer, >>>>reinstalls of windows, etcetera. >>>> >>>>My dual P3 i installed the same software and same OS/servicepack like at >>>>this machine and the dual P3 is completely working without problems. >>>> >>>>Then there is other problems for AMD to get processors stable to run SMP. >>>> >>>>We have already up to 300Mhz higher clocked new XPs, than there is MPs. >>>> >>>>I'm not saying intel is a hair better here with the P4. Not at all. By >>>>keeping L1 caches small at it, they manage of course to clock it that >>>>high. >>>> >>>>But even if you clock a P4 to 3.5Ghz, then still the same 'unstable' AMD >>>>is way faster. >>>> >>>>I wonder how 'stable' that hammer is. >>>> >>>>Producing 1 such a cpu doesn't mean they can produce it cheap for everyone. >>>> >>>>So i wait till i have more reliable results on the hammer for DIEP. >>>>Basically i lack having a cross compiler for it. >>>> >>>>>I have seen dual/quad opterons >>>>>though so at least there is SOME hope. Slate is probably right, we probably >>>>>won't see the 2800+ for another month. Same for Intel's P4-3GHz. Probably will >>>>>see that released in December (but it's being announced today or sometime soon). >>>> >>>>1 month is easy waiting for. but 1 year... >>> >>>I'm not sure what you're doing wrong but I've had/seen NO problems as far as >>>stability goes with ANY of my AMD systems. I have a feeling most people in here >>>will tell you aside from the general Windows bs that dual AMD's are just as >>>stable. >> >>how many dual AMDs have you got and what time do you leave them running >>before rebooting? >> >>best regards, >>Vincent > >Personally I own none. Only one dual AMD I have access to runs 24/7 is on a UPS >and both cpus are at 100% load constantly (doing OGR-25 for >www.distributed.net). It serves as my friends router, file server & game server. >Currently it has over 3 months uptime. This is only due to power outages here in >Texas due to storms and etc. His UPS isn't fancy, it'll only last 30 minutes or >so. As you could probably guess it runs linux. So far I haven't had any >problems. My AMD system runs pretty well. About the only time it reboots, is when it reboots itself. Something to do with a freaky Windows XP / NVADIA GeForce 4 problem/thing that was supposed to be fixed in the last driver but wasn't.
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