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Subject: Re: Computer chess & Fairy tales about *Chess*

Author: Peter Berger

Date: 11:54:21 10/08/02

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On October 08, 2002 at 07:52:57, Odd Gunnar Malin wrote:

>On October 07, 2002 at 11:07:37, Peter Berger wrote:
>
>>
>>When it is about "unfair" knowledge used by the computer ( e.g. opening book) it
>>should be mentioned that it is extremely likely that Kramnik had the position
>>after Bf8 on his board in preparation matches btw - just look at the time he
>>used for his moves ..
>>
>>Peter
>
>He use 14 min for this move (13.a4), I think he was out of book here. All
>previous moves where done within less than 1 min.
>Fritz was out of book at 9.Kf1.
>
>I thought when wathing it that the timeusage was fully normal here.
>Kramnik had prepared 9.Kf1 and had the answer for all 'normal' moves after this
>until 12...Bf8. It was just as watching a GM-game when one player have prepared
>a novelity.
>
>Well, my exact thought when I saw 12...Bf8 was that this was an operator move
>because they feared that Kramnik had played the hole game in advance.
>
>Odd Gunnar

I watched the game live on ICC and I remember several Fritz users pointing out
that their copies of Fritz all played ...Bf8, too.

Uri gave one good answer to your question already IMHO.

There are others: I don't think Kramnik would work out "hooked" games like 2100
rated amateurs looking for book holes in the first place. When he reaches a
position he judges as clearly superior for him he will stop at some time, he has
good reason to be confident in his general abilities. Yes, I do believe he had
this exact position on board in preparation (because of ultra-fast early play)
and taking a longer time for a key move is of no relevance. I remember a few
games Karpov-Kasparov commented by both where both mentioned what they had on
board in preparation. And while they had worked the lines out all in advance,
they took a long time at several points, making sure their preparation was
right, looking for even better ways to make progress, thinking about possible
surprising moves by their opponent etc.

Or think of today's endgame. Did you notice just _how_ slowly Kramnik played
those really simple final moves?

I don't know how to avoid to sound as if I made an accuse here. This is not my
intention at all - believe it or not.




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