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Subject: Re: 6 man EGDB's with pawns - some CM FEG results

Author: Joachim Rang

Date: 02:45:48 10/09/02

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On October 08, 2002 at 23:37:52, Marc Bourzutschky wrote:

>On October 08, 2002 at 19:38:02, John Merlino wrote:
>
>>On October 08, 2002 at 18:45:36, Marc Bourzutschky wrote:
>>
>>>The Chessmaster FEG program (downloadable from www.chessmaster.com) is a very
>>>clever tool that allows the generation of 6-man EGDB's with pawns on a 32 bit
>>>machine with limited resource requirements.  This would not be possible with
>>>the Nalimov program without some code changes.  I have generated KRPPKR which
>>>occurs relatively frequently in practice (next I'll generate KRPKRP and KRKPPP.)
>>
>>Many thanks for posting this information. I have a few questions:
>>
>>Which 6-man files have you built? How long did it take to build them? Have you
>>also built all of their dependent filesets?
>>
>>jm
>
>Below is a list of the endings I have generated so far, along with
>some statistics. The number of seconds is somewhat misleading because
>I used 3 different computers: a 1.9GHZ and 2.4GHZ P4, and an an old
>800MHZ P3.  For example, the KQRKQR ending was generated on the old
>machine which is why it took so long.  I started this whole project
>September 12.
>
>As far as dependencies are concerned, FEG automatically stops when
>dependent files are missing, so you can only generate endgames with
>pawns if all possible promotions have been created.
>
>The main difference to the Nalimov scheme is that each EGDB only
>contains WTM to win or not to win, not distinguishing between a draw
>or a loss.  So to get comparable info one needs to generate both
>KXKY and KYKZ.  For KRPPKR I have not yet generated KRKRPP because
>I was mainly interested whether White can win or not, ignoring
>pathological positions where White actually loses.  I'll get KRKRPP
>later anyway as a byproduct of generating KRKPPP, which is in the
>works.  Because KRKPPP can go either way, I'll also generate KPPPKR.
>
>
>Ending   # Secs     WTM Size  WTM Ply      BTM Size  BTM Ply
>------------------------------------------------------------
>KQQRKR   248337    181541366       73     454405666       74
>KQRBKR    81755    705485974      135    1060868934      136
>KQRKQR   510320   1161463938      233     426465391      234
>KQRKRB   266976   1044489055      141    1252885945      142
>KQRKRN   265612   1025129450      133    1353459632      138
>KQRKRR   424856    696088906      113     563970032      112
>KQRNKR   110866    678962160       87    1023118760       88
>KQRPKR   329993   2069855830      149    3746111779      150
>KQRRKR    81998    246328793       81     683209859       82
>KRBBKR   121787    815254179      139     795943021      140
>KRBKQR    54376     60403494      129       7176017      128
>KRBKRB    62467    558544458      129      68163464      128
>KRBKRR    56590     46934987      133       6850121      132
>KRBNKR   131406   1621032003      135    1249681979      136
>KRBPKR   311575   4691404903      151    4585986662      152
>KRKQBB    19942      6021257       61       5967701        6
>KRKQBN    23232      7374862       79       6402464       60
>KRKQBP    67545     49797631       77      20721167       68
>KRKQNN    24266      8042923       81       5996962       68
>KRKQNP   104173    123187152      133      21034570      126
>KRKQPP    80602    387265124       83      20308922       78
>KRKQQB    17771      5799312       51       5845019        6
>KRKQQN    21387      5884460       77       5856010        6
>KRKQQP    54465     20018808       55      18789740        6
>KRKQQQ     9890      5648101        7       5628973        6
>KRKQQR     9686      5760118        7       5794036        6
>KRKQRB    18535      6157489       53       6334517        6
>KRKQRN    22505      6409825       79       6305985        6
>KRKQRP    52386     26195616       57      20419355       48
>KRKQRR     9968      5839264        7       5884821        6
>KRNKQR    31582     40756874       73       6891222       70
>KRNKRB   181544    532653480       73      47539498       72
>KRNKRN   182437    633633087      103      59911833      102
>KRNKRR    53265     31247335       73       6607222       70
>KRNPKR   322138   4959158626      169    4558331725      170
>KRPKQR   257582    660773785      235      33211534      224
>KRPKRR   220795    734378250      149      72391611      148
>KRPPKR   258491   1806511454      189    2200757722      190
>KRRBKR    82773    629065508      137     559091788      138
>KRRKQR    49265    277825100       65      35754296       64
>KRRKRB    83225    614558904      133     150419097      132
>KRRKRN   138858    753078894      177     315051543      178
>KRRKRR    61544    258742167       79      45661712       78
>KRRNKR    74479    613173287       89     517953298       90
>KRRPKR   250624   1739999970      149    2354960874      150
>KRRRKR    83699    139427358       65     264648675       66


imressive!

Do you expect, to create all 6-pieces? How many GBs do you expect?



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