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Subject: Re: In Telepathic contact with Vladimir Kramnik (with many thanks)

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 18:49:18 10/09/02

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On October 09, 2002 at 20:07:56, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On October 09, 2002 at 12:23:27, Günther Simon wrote:
>
>>On October 09, 2002 at 07:58:06, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>>
>>>Geschenkt. But I have a still worse discovery here. You wrote:
>>>
>>>"IMHO even a 1900+ player might have some chances for at least a whole
>>>point in this match being familiar with DF style and the biggest part
>>>of its opening book."
>>>
>>>Dream on, Günther! You are badly wrong here. Totally wrong. Even if you were
>>>able to hold the complete data in your memory you would not be able to master
>>>the technique problems later. You are talking like the pupil who's learning his
>>>first language and who thinks that now he could understand the conservation in
>>>that particular land. Or the student who heard or read something and then
>>>thought that he had understood it and now could explain it to other students. If
>>>you ever tried it you would have seen that such processes are not similar.
>>>Passive knowledge is different to practical abilities. I hope I could give you
>>>some important information.
>>>
>>>Rolf Tueschen
>>
>>May be we should get more specific:
>>dont you think that Kramniks team wasnt able to find 12...Bf8, when they
>>invented the novelty 9.Kf1!? dont you think they looked 7 plies more
>>into DF thoughts when flags _didnt play any role_ because DF could not
>>know this novelty which appeared after an usual wellknown opening?
>>Of course we can believe what Kramnik stated until now but how often
>>did players of important matches showed their secrets _after_ the match?
>>Why do you call this still a conspiracy? I call it professional biz...
>
>I could see that Roy did already answer you. That is one point. The other is
>that I do not understand you, what you mean with your idea that he might have
>had it on the board. Let's try to analyse what you are saying and perhaps
>meaning.
>
>1. This is a match and nobody would tell the press and the opposite side what's
>really going on. Is that correct? I would agree with you.
>
>2. Your idea is that because Kramnik had Bf8 on the board he could prepare the
>whole game in advance. Is that correct? But then he should have forgotten Bc4?
>
>I have a completely different view. But my view is also not the whole truth!
>Perhaps it's completely wrong. But tell me what you are thinking if you read
>this...
>
>(1) Kramnik played Fritz also in Blitz for years. He knows what Fritz can
>achieve.
>
>(2) Deep in Kramnik's heart or conscience there's the following view:
>
>- Fritz is absolutely stupid positionally
>- Fritz is dangerous for a player who is sloppy in his calculations
>- I have only a good chance against Fritz if I am well prepared mentally and
>psychologically, it will be hard work to win the games, because I must be
>concentrated for the whole game
>- the biggest problem for me is the question of the money! I'm Russian and I
>don't want to present the Western World a Russian who is only greedy at the
>money
>- my idea ist the following: I can only justify the million dollar prize money
>if I play some extraordinary chess games
>- by doing that I get into theopposition of these nice people from chessbase
>- but since the horror trip in 1997 the World of chess is awaiting someone toset
>the record straight. So I must beat FRITZ with a clear result. Fritz is not DB2
>but if I beat the terribly strong Fritz (in the eyes of the computer chess
>lovers)  I can stir the emotions PRO computer chess and a new spring will bring
>golden times for CC
>- so, yes, I've found the solution: I am in the zwick or the zugzwang that I
>must beat FRITZ with a high result. To prevent that I'm regarded as the asshole
>of CC for the next decades I will show to each chess programmer how far they are
>away from the beauties of chess. I will create beautiful games where FRITZ
>simply is stumbling like the Bear Sonny Liston when got his knock-out against
>Cassius Clay. Also Liston was dangerous like hell, but Clay was dancing and
>stinging like a bee. So that I will prove them. So that they learn some
>humility. And then perhaps they understand how they should treat us chess
>masters. With respect!
>- But to achieve that I will create some little masterpieces which will even
>recognized by the folks of INFORMATOR
>- I can only hope that Frederic could understand me and that he won't boycott me
>in the future
>
>[- The problem I couldn't solve yet is, who on Earth could be my speaker to the
>World. Well, it could only be a congenial deep thinker. Perhaps someone unknown
>in the world of chess. Yes, perhaps Rolf from CCC.......]
>
>=====================================================================
>
>That could be the thoughts of Vladimir Kramnik! And if he will win the show
>against FRITZ we should thank him a million times because he has brought back
>chess into CC!
>
>You out there - could you hear me calling? All together now we must walk into a
>different direction in CC. This time we go with chess hand in hand!
>
>
>=====================================================================
>
>
>
>>(To the other stuff: I thought you were at the side who does not exaggerate
>>the abilities of chess progs but it seems you changed your point of view
>>totally since a while
>
>Err, I don't know what you are talking about. I did NOT change my view. I think
>that we must bring back chess into CC and therefore I'm so happy that Vladimir
>is playing such wonderful masterpieces! From now on we have two different
>department of chess. We have the traditional chess, called human chess. And we
>have Anti-computer chess. Here Kramnik has opened a new category. The chess
>without spectacular tricks or sacrifices but simply solid chess with piecesthe
>usual computer program has no business with. Perhaps even Kasparov is now again
>back in the boat. Kramnik is the one who showed the whole world how machines
>must be outplayed. Not in the timid Huebner style but with artistic elegance!
>
>A new epoch of chess has just begun.
>
>Yours truly
>
>Rolf Tueschen

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Too early I hit enter before I could give it a new subject. In my

Small Talk about CCI reveiled the whole truth:

read here in English:

http://hometown.aol.de/rolftueschen/smalltalk.html

Thanks Vladimir! ;)

Rolf Tueschen


>
>
>
>- I played >500 tournament games in the late eighties
>>until around 1998 and played X thousands of computer games so think I know
>>a bit of what I am talkin about - I even had some little contribution
>>to the general opening theory when I was much more active)
>>
>>Günther Simon



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