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Subject: Re: Question for Robert Hyatt about Deep Blue moves

Author: Jeremiah Penery

Date: 16:48:12 10/11/02

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On October 11, 2002 at 19:43:48, martin fierz wrote:

>On October 11, 2002 at 17:28:08, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>
>>On October 11, 2002 at 17:20:31, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On October 11, 2002 at 17:00:43, martin fierz wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 11, 2002 at 00:25:27, K. Burcham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>My question is, separate from all of this technical discussion, do you have
>>>>>several moves that you have studied with todays programs that you know these
>>>>>programs cannot find?
>>>>
>>>>perhaps it's more about moves that deep blue did not find: like h4? in game 1,
>>>
>>>
>>>I do not think that another move could change the result and
>>>I do not think that deeper blue could play better.
>>>
>>>I did not read that deeper blue had fortress detection in it's evaluation.
>>
>>The game was drawn before h4 was played.  We can't say whether DB would have
>>done better in avoiding the drawing setup, however.
>
>you are (very very) probably right about that the game was drawn before h4. but
>this is not the point. it was easily drawn after h4. which means that h4 is a
>mistake even if kramnik would have drawn the game otherwise, because it gave
>away the advantage that white had.

I think Kramnik said the game was absolutely drawn before then.  But you're
still right, that h4 only made it easier.

>i didnt mean to say DB would have avoided h4. i just wanted to say that DF
>played a bunch of weak moves up to now, and that i do not know of any moves
>which are as bad that DB2 played in the match against kasparov.

I was referring to Uri's comment, "I do not think that deeper blue could play
better."  That could be true.  Unfortunately, there will probably never be a way
to find the truth of that statement.



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