Author: martin fierz
Date: 16:48:45 10/11/02
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On October 11, 2002 at 17:20:31, Uri Blass wrote: >On October 11, 2002 at 17:00:43, martin fierz wrote: > >>On October 11, 2002 at 00:25:27, K. Burcham wrote: >> >>>My question is, separate from all of this technical discussion, do you have >>>several moves that you have studied with todays programs that you know these >>>programs cannot find? >> >>perhaps it's more about moves that deep blue did not find: like h4? in game 1, > > >I do not think that another move could change the result you are making the same mistake that bob makes: *even if* another move would not change the result, h4 is a big mistake. the game may be drawn at that point, but black must be careful. after h4, it's a dead draw and there is no possibility for black to go wrong. i asked bob if crafty would avoid the passive defence in the rook ending of game 2. his answer was that it doesnt matter, because at that point the rook ending is already lost. which is ridiculous, because even if it is lost, you have to make it as hard for your opponent as possible. against humans, this means that a passive defence is the worst to do. you must create some counterplay in the hope of confusing the opponent. same as in the h4 situation: you may be lost, but kramnik might still go wrong. aloha martin and >I do not think that deeper blue could play better. > >I did not read that deeper blue had fortress detection in it's evaluation. > > > >>....b5? and ...Bf8? in game 2, or a3? and Nd5? in game 3 of DF-kramnik. >>i think this DF match is a great example to show how useless the bickering about >>some of DB's mistakes is: all programs make mistakes (at least now), just >>different ones. if some of today's programs would not make the mistakes DB made >>it doesn't mean they are better - they just make different mistakes... >> >>aloha >> martin > > > >I do not say that it is a proof but only an evidence. > >The test against kramnik is biased because kramnik knows the specific weaknesses >of deep fritz when Kasparov did not know the specific weaknesses of deeper blue. > >Uri
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