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Subject: Re: Q&A with Feng-Hsiung Hsu

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 18:38:29 10/13/02

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On October 13, 2002 at 15:55:05, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On October 13, 2002 at 15:47:43, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>
>>On October 13, 2002 at 14:14:13, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On October 13, 2002 at 13:50:24, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>>
>>>for any chessprogrammer it is very clear Jeremiah.
>>>
>>>It's 12 ply and the 6 only means that the hardware search can
>>>be up to 6 ply within that 12 ply nominal.
>>
>>For the millionth time, explain 4(5) then.
>
>it's a lot easier when you try to imagine how you would start
>a search. Look at 4 ply you want to involve other cpu's too.
>
>You have 480 chess chips. 9 out of 10 is idling anyway
>(we know this because everyone says it was capable in theory
>to get a billion nodes a second in theory, yet it got only
>126 million nodes on average; there is no discussion here)
>
>you want to use as many cpu's as possible. So at the root you
>ask a few chips. Of course you must take into account extensions too.


Vincent, this is crap, crap, crap and more crap.

Why don't you violate your most sacred rule and _first_ read something
before posting?  Look at Hsu's thesis on the two-level parallel search they
did.  They did a few plies on one cpu, then a few more splitting the tree among
the SP processors, then a few more by splitting those sub-trees further using
the
chess chips.

Your rambling above is simply _wrong_.  They don't "ask a few chips at the
root."

That is nonsense.  Always has been nonsense.  Always will be nonsense.

Quit trying to _imagine_ what they did and read his thesis to see what they
_really_
did...




>
>If a 4 ply search for this chip is too much, then you split it. and
>split it. Giving a 2 ply search to chip A, and a 3 ply search to
>chip B.

Never happens like that .  _ever_.  Contrary to you, I _have_ read his
thesis...


>
>The 5 in short has no meaning here.

Right.  It is just a random character they forgot to clear in the buffer...



>
>You can see that the mainlines at the start of the game (so before
>hashtables are filled with a lot of info that extends lines)
>that the lines it gives at 4 , 5 , 6 ply is usually 1 ply long.

No they aren't.  Not in _my_ logs...  Unless you talk about the start of a
search
after pondering and loading the hash table...




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