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Subject: Re: Dutch Open Leiden after round 6

Author: Tony Werten

Date: 07:46:44 10/21/02

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On October 21, 2002 at 09:43:57, Uri Blass wrote:

>On October 21, 2002 at 08:05:54, Tony Werten wrote:
>
>>On October 21, 2002 at 03:48:05, Jeroen Noomen wrote:
>>
>>>On October 21, 2002 at 02:27:01, Tony Werten wrote:
>>>
>>>You don't know if your improvement is worth 200 elopoints,
>>>therefore you need to test it thoroughly first :-)
>>
>>Test it ? You mean like play against other programs ? Then what have I been
>>doing this weekend ?
>>
>>Tony
>
>1)If you have a real big improvement of 200 elo you can test it and get
>conclusions in relatively a short time.

200, yes. In Ants case it's a real shame they didn't find out before the
tournement. ( that was a 200 or more difference )

>
>The main problem is when you believe that the improvement is 20-30 elo.
>In this case it is better to use an old version.

For amateurs I disagree. Improving your program should be more important than
playing it safe. If I "feel" something is an improvement ( I like the playing
style, doesn't score too much worse on test positions ) I will play with it in a
tournement. If I get killed, well, shit happens.


>
>If the idea how to improve your program by 200 elo is something that you
>implemented only in the last minute(less than 24 hours before the tournament)
>then it is better not to use it before you test it and delay the use of it for
>the second part of the tournament when you have time to test.
>
>24 hours are enough to get 8 games at 90 minutes per game and if you get 6-2
>result against a program at similiar level to your previous version then you can
>be at least sure that the new version is not significantly weaker at the time
>control of the tournament.
>
>
>2)I have a question.
>
>Is there a chance that we are going to see Xinix or Diep(you can answer only for
>xinix) in the WBEC tournament of Leo.

XiniX is capable of the basic WB functions. But for full support I need more
time. And time is the thing I don't have a lot. Full WB support is not an urgent
point.

>
>In the first division there are strong programs like
>Ruffian,Gandalf,Yace,Nimzo2000
>
>Vincent claimed that Diep beated Nimzo98 10-0.

Diep is stronger than XiniX. Don't know about the strength of Nimzo. It could be
that Diep likes the playing style of Nimzo. I know it doesn't like XiniX'
playing style. XiniX doesn't like Tao, ANT doesn't like XiniX. Kind of
angstgegners.

That means that in matches strange things can happen.

Tony

>If that is the case then he can participate in WBEC and score clearly better
>than Nimzo2000 because I believe that Nimzo2000 is not significantly better than
>nimzo98.
>
>Uri



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