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Subject: Re: Dutch Open Leiden after round 6

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 15:48:09 10/21/02

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On October 21, 2002 at 17:57:58, Uri Blass wrote:

>On October 21, 2002 at 17:03:59, Johan Hutting wrote:
>
>>On October 21, 2002 at 11:34:33, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>>No clue, if I see larsenVB and tscp playing in 3rd division I wonder what Celes
>>>>does in 4th :)
>>>
>>>Simple answer
>>>see
>>>http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/his3rdedition.html
>>>
>>>Celes simply did not score well enough in the previous 4th division.
>>>
>>>The level to get to the 3th division is clearly better than tscp.
>>>The level of tscp is not enough even to promote to the 4th division.
>>>
>>>You may ask Leo to use the last Celes but I doubt if it is going to be strong
>>>enough to promote.
>>
>>Leo already has a copy of the latest delphi version.
>>>
>>>For the low divisions the level that is needed to promote is higher than the
>>>level of the higher division.
>>
>>So I've noticed with engines like list, tao and knightdreamer around.
>>
>>>It is not going to be the case in the high division and part of the programs
>>>that pronmoted to the first division went back to the second division.
>>>
>>>Abrok,Biglion,Knightdreamer,List,Rdchess,Tao and maybe gnuchess(if Leo finds it
>>>stable) may fight for promotion.
>>>
>>>It seems that Celes needs to be better than one of them in order to promote.
>>>
>>>7th place may be also enough for pronmotion if Celes can beat Soldat.
>>
>>I already pointed out the insanity of this on the winboard forum. However, it's
>>Leo's tournament and he's free to make up his rules. And well, maybe Celes is
>>lucky :)
>>
>>>I admit that I did not analyze the games but it seemed to me that their problem
>>>were after the opening and the d8->d5->d6 and few moves later->d8 line for black
>>>does not seem to be a good line when I look at it.
>>
>>That's standard procedure in that line... idem dito in the Qa5 line, after c6
>>the queen usually returns to d8 or c7.
>>
>>>>>My latest movei(not public) has book and pondering
>>>>>but my tests are almost always with no book when
>>>>>I always change the
>>>>>first move so I can get different games.
>>>>
>>>>hmmm, you'll still get alot of repetitions that way.
>>>
>>>If you play more than 40 games then I agree but if you play 40 games you get no
>>>repetition when you always change the first move(the only way to get repetition
>>>is changing the order of moves but it does not happen often when the first move
>>>is 1.a4 or 1.f3(it can happen in 1.e4 e6 2.d4 to 1.d4 e6 2.e4 but I do not see
>>>logical change from 1.a3 e5 2.e4 to 1.e4 e5 2.a3
>>
>>You're serious about testing movei by opening with moves like 1.a3 and 1.h3 vs
>>other engines?
>
>Yes
>
>It even could beat Ruffian with 1.f3 at 7 minutes per game.
>The total result was 37.5-2.5 for Ruffian(you can find the game in the winboard
>forum when I posted the only 2 games that movei won)
>
>One of them was with 1.d4 f5 and one of them was with 1.f3
>
>I am interesting in the strength of the engine and not in building opening book
>and I can compare results of different versions
>
>Uri

Sorry for the previous empty post

2 notes

1)The games when movei beated Ruffian are in the following post:
http://www.f11.parsimony.net/forum16635/messages/36718.htm

2)Ruffian is using average time of 6 seconds per move
at 2 hours/1200 moves thanks to it's stupid time management
but inspite of this fact I believe that it probably can
beat most of the engines at that time control even
if they assume 2 hours for game.

I am even not sure if latest movei is good enough
not to lose against Ruffian in these conditions.

I think that using 6 seconds per move does not give
better quality than using 7 miutes per game so the quality of
the moves of Ruffian at 7 minutes per game is good
enough for a lot of engines and I think that Ruffian at
7 minutes per game can play at similiar level to the
public Ant at 2 hours per game

(If the public Ant use time in a logical way
in 2 hours/1200 moves then it is possible to check it).

Uri



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