Author: Uri Blass
Date: 14:57:58 10/21/02
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On October 21, 2002 at 17:03:59, Johan Hutting wrote: >On October 21, 2002 at 11:34:33, Uri Blass wrote: > >>>No clue, if I see larsenVB and tscp playing in 3rd division I wonder what Celes >>>does in 4th :) >> >>Simple answer >>see >>http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/his3rdedition.html >> >>Celes simply did not score well enough in the previous 4th division. >> >>The level to get to the 3th division is clearly better than tscp. >>The level of tscp is not enough even to promote to the 4th division. >> >>You may ask Leo to use the last Celes but I doubt if it is going to be strong >>enough to promote. > >Leo already has a copy of the latest delphi version. >> >>For the low divisions the level that is needed to promote is higher than the >>level of the higher division. > >So I've noticed with engines like list, tao and knightdreamer around. > >>It is not going to be the case in the high division and part of the programs >>that pronmoted to the first division went back to the second division. >> >>Abrok,Biglion,Knightdreamer,List,Rdchess,Tao and maybe gnuchess(if Leo finds it >>stable) may fight for promotion. >> >>It seems that Celes needs to be better than one of them in order to promote. >> >>7th place may be also enough for pronmotion if Celes can beat Soldat. > >I already pointed out the insanity of this on the winboard forum. However, it's >Leo's tournament and he's free to make up his rules. And well, maybe Celes is >lucky :) > >>I admit that I did not analyze the games but it seemed to me that their problem >>were after the opening and the d8->d5->d6 and few moves later->d8 line for black >>does not seem to be a good line when I look at it. > >That's standard procedure in that line... idem dito in the Qa5 line, after c6 >the queen usually returns to d8 or c7. > >>>>My latest movei(not public) has book and pondering >>>>but my tests are almost always with no book when >>>>I always change the >>>>first move so I can get different games. >>> >>>hmmm, you'll still get alot of repetitions that way. >> >>If you play more than 40 games then I agree but if you play 40 games you get no >>repetition when you always change the first move(the only way to get repetition >>is changing the order of moves but it does not happen often when the first move >>is 1.a4 or 1.f3(it can happen in 1.e4 e6 2.d4 to 1.d4 e6 2.e4 but I do not see >>logical change from 1.a3 e5 2.e4 to 1.e4 e5 2.a3 > >You're serious about testing movei by opening with moves like 1.a3 and 1.h3 vs >other engines? Yes It even could beat Ruffian with 1.f3 at 7 minutes per game. The total result was 37.5-2.5 for Ruffian(you can find the game in the winboard forum when I posted the only 2 games that movei won) One of them was with 1.d4 f5 and one of them was with 1.f3 I am interesting in the strength of the engine and not in building opening book and I can compare results of different versions Uri
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