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Subject: Re: Dutch Open Leiden after round 6

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 14:57:58 10/21/02

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On October 21, 2002 at 17:03:59, Johan Hutting wrote:

>On October 21, 2002 at 11:34:33, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>>No clue, if I see larsenVB and tscp playing in 3rd division I wonder what Celes
>>>does in 4th :)
>>
>>Simple answer
>>see
>>http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/his3rdedition.html
>>
>>Celes simply did not score well enough in the previous 4th division.
>>
>>The level to get to the 3th division is clearly better than tscp.
>>The level of tscp is not enough even to promote to the 4th division.
>>
>>You may ask Leo to use the last Celes but I doubt if it is going to be strong
>>enough to promote.
>
>Leo already has a copy of the latest delphi version.
>>
>>For the low divisions the level that is needed to promote is higher than the
>>level of the higher division.
>
>So I've noticed with engines like list, tao and knightdreamer around.
>
>>It is not going to be the case in the high division and part of the programs
>>that pronmoted to the first division went back to the second division.
>>
>>Abrok,Biglion,Knightdreamer,List,Rdchess,Tao and maybe gnuchess(if Leo finds it
>>stable) may fight for promotion.
>>
>>It seems that Celes needs to be better than one of them in order to promote.
>>
>>7th place may be also enough for pronmotion if Celes can beat Soldat.
>
>I already pointed out the insanity of this on the winboard forum. However, it's
>Leo's tournament and he's free to make up his rules. And well, maybe Celes is
>lucky :)
>
>>I admit that I did not analyze the games but it seemed to me that their problem
>>were after the opening and the d8->d5->d6 and few moves later->d8 line for black
>>does not seem to be a good line when I look at it.
>
>That's standard procedure in that line... idem dito in the Qa5 line, after c6
>the queen usually returns to d8 or c7.
>
>>>>My latest movei(not public) has book and pondering
>>>>but my tests are almost always with no book when
>>>>I always change the
>>>>first move so I can get different games.
>>>
>>>hmmm, you'll still get alot of repetitions that way.
>>
>>If you play more than 40 games then I agree but if you play 40 games you get no
>>repetition when you always change the first move(the only way to get repetition
>>is changing the order of moves but it does not happen often when the first move
>>is 1.a4 or 1.f3(it can happen in 1.e4 e6 2.d4 to 1.d4 e6 2.e4 but I do not see
>>logical change from 1.a3 e5 2.e4 to 1.e4 e5 2.a3
>
>You're serious about testing movei by opening with moves like 1.a3 and 1.h3 vs
>other engines?

Yes

It even could beat Ruffian with 1.f3 at 7 minutes per game.
The total result was 37.5-2.5 for Ruffian(you can find the game in the winboard
forum when I posted the only 2 games that movei won)

One of them was with 1.d4 f5 and one of them was with 1.f3

I am interesting in the strength of the engine and not in building opening book
and I can compare results of different versions

Uri



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