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Subject: Re: Dutch Open Leiden after round 6

Author: Johan Hutting

Date: 14:03:59 10/21/02

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On October 21, 2002 at 11:34:33, Uri Blass wrote:

>>No clue, if I see larsenVB and tscp playing in 3rd division I wonder what Celes
>>does in 4th :)
>Simple answer
>Celes simply did not score well enough in the previous 4th division.
>The level to get to the 3th division is clearly better than tscp.
>The level of tscp is not enough even to promote to the 4th division.
>You may ask Leo to use the last Celes but I doubt if it is going to be strong
>enough to promote.

Leo already has a copy of the latest delphi version.
>For the low divisions the level that is needed to promote is higher than the
>level of the higher division.

So I've noticed with engines like list, tao and knightdreamer around.

>It is not going to be the case in the high division and part of the programs
>that pronmoted to the first division went back to the second division.
>Abrok,Biglion,Knightdreamer,List,Rdchess,Tao and maybe gnuchess(if Leo finds it
>stable) may fight for promotion.
>It seems that Celes needs to be better than one of them in order to promote.
>7th place may be also enough for pronmotion if Celes can beat Soldat.

I already pointed out the insanity of this on the winboard forum. However, it's
Leo's tournament and he's free to make up his rules. And well, maybe Celes is
lucky :)

>I admit that I did not analyze the games but it seemed to me that their problem
>were after the opening and the d8->d5->d6 and few moves later->d8 line for black
>does not seem to be a good line when I look at it.

That's standard procedure in that line... idem dito in the Qa5 line, after c6
the queen usually returns to d8 or c7.

>>>My latest movei(not public) has book and pondering
>>>but my tests are almost always with no book when
>>>I always change the
>>>first move so I can get different games.
>>hmmm, you'll still get alot of repetitions that way.
>If you play more than 40 games then I agree but if you play 40 games you get no
>repetition when you always change the first move(the only way to get repetition
>is changing the order of moves but it does not happen often when the first move
>is 1.a4 or 1.f3(it can happen in 1.e4 e6 2.d4 to 1.d4 e6 2.e4 but I do not see
>logical change from 1.a3 e5 2.e4 to 1.e4 e5 2.a3

You're serious about testing movei by opening with moves like 1.a3 and 1.h3 vs
other engines?

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