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Subject: Re: learning from other programmers.

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 08:46:51 10/29/02

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On October 29, 2002 at 06:00:07, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On October 28, 2002 at 12:09:37, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>I hear only suggestions from dudes who hardly join tournaments.
>You know shit from tournaments.
>
>Of course you're too stubborn to learn, but how about the
>human contact you have during the game which allows you to
>ask Frans Morsch whether he finds nullmove a good algorithm
>and to ask some other whether he still likes singular extensions?

Who is preventing that.  _all_ the participants will be in that location.

How about trying to read/comprehend what is being proposed, rather
than taking your usual "this is impossible because I say it is impossible"
approach???


>
>They won't answer it on CCC. They do in such tournaments.
>
>They won't answer it when something is automated, only some employee
>who knows shit from chess will be checking whether it goes ok.
>
>You remove the whole social contact from such a tournament! The
>only interesting thing of most tournaments gets lost by doing things
>automatically.
>
>of course some here are too stubborn to learn from others, and
>others do not care as they already did all experiments 20 years ago,
>but there are many in these tournaments who like to learn stuff.
>
>Also i would be wanting to know how i can connect a supercomputer to
>the FICS protocol. I need SSH2 (if not already ssh3 exists) to connect
>to it and i can't get outside with it.

That is nonsense.  ssh goes _anywhere_.  that is all that can be used to connect
to any of my machines.  GCP is using it to connect to my cluster.  He's not
exactly
"on site here".  You can run xboard on my cluster, pipe the display back to your
local
host, run xboard on your local host, run the engine on the remote cluster,
basically you
can do anything you want.  Regardless of what you "think" you can do...

>
>Ever thought of that?

No because there is no need to "thought of that".  I used crays for years.  I
_never_
brought a cray to the event.  Yet I attended every one personally.

>
>Disaster disaster already if you go manually. Imagine what happens
>if i try automatically...

I can only speak for those of us that are capable of doing simple things.
I have no problems playing tens of thousands of games on ICC.  Neither
do others.  We could set that up locally and have the _same_ success.


>
>>On October 28, 2002 at 11:45:38, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>
>>>On October 28, 2002 at 11:41:04, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>I think Uri meant the classic automatic tournament Ken Thompson and I tried to
>>>>get the ICCA to use for many years.  Programmers are present, but the games are
>>>>automatic once they are started.  IE you can watch, but you can't touch a key >on the keyboard.
>>>
>>>Ok, I see the point.
>>>
>>>My first thought is: many things that can go wrong setting up/with
>>>the autoplayers.
>>
>>I think that there should be some general interface that supports winboard or
>>UCI programs for games with 2 computers so at least programmers who support the
>>standard do not need to test their programs with some autoplayer.
>>
>>I know that winboard or UCI engines have no problem to play under arena and if I
>>understood correctly Arena is also going to support the autoplayer so I guess
>>that there will be no problem to do it in the future.
>>
>>Uri



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