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Subject: Re: Ruffian - worth a second look.

Author: James T. Walker

Date: 10:01:27 10/29/02

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On October 29, 2002 at 11:09:24, Uri Blass wrote:

>On October 29, 2002 at 09:43:15, Bob Durrett wrote:
>
>>On October 28, 2002 at 15:13:22, James T. Walker wrote:
>>
>>>Since I first tested Ruffian at 5/0 vs Fritz and it didn't do very good, some
>>>here have said it's much better at longer time controls.  So far I have only 9
>>>games at G/30 and Ruffian is leading Junior 7 by 6-3!  Ruffian is running inside
>>>the Shredder Classic GUI as an UCI engine and Junior 7 in it's own GUI.  Both
>>>using auto232 and their own books and 128 M hash. This little score alone makes
>>>more testing mandatory.  I have had problems with Ruffian not finishing games.
>>>It has a tendency to stop playing in the endgame after missing a move from it's
>>>opponent.  I get a "ding" and Ruffian has not received the opponents move.  I
>>>hope this is fixed in the future.
>>>Jim
>>
>>Would it be safe to infer that Ruffian would be better at automatic overnight
>>post-mortem analysis of a game than Fritz is?
>
>
>No
>
>The programmer of Ruffian said that ruffian is not better at long time control.
>I think that believing him may be a good idea.
>
>There is no evidence that ruffian is better at long time control and I do not
>trust games when the autoplayer is used.
>
>I trust more the results of Igor gerlikov when Ruffian beated Yace and Crafty
>but the difference was about the same at all time controls.
>
>Uri

I have seen no reason to not trust autoplayer games.  The problem is you must
inspect every game to see if it is legitimate.  Sometimes Ruffian will quit
before the game is over and the GUIs will assign an incorrect score to the game.
 These must be weeded out of the results and replaced with new games to keep the
balance between white/black.  An alternative is to finish the games manually.  I
have done both depending on how close to an "end" the game is.
Jim



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