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Subject: Re: Test Position

Author: Richard Pijl

Date: 09:31:50 11/18/02

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On November 18, 2002 at 08:11:04, Jim Monaghan wrote:

>Milan posted an interesting game in the WB forum.
>
>AMD XP 1600+
>Single 1700 MHz
>32 MB Hash
>ponder off
>Deep Fritz 7 GUI
>Time 60/60' + 20/20' + 10'
>Shredder6.ctg for all / read only.
>
>
>The following position shows an interesting evaluation error.
>
[D] 4r2k/ppn1r2p/2pqn1p1/3bRp2/3P4/P1N2P1P/1PQ2BP1/2R2BK1 b - -
>
>
>The setting is a fairly complex, crowded middlegame with perhaps roughly level
>(that is not to say drawish) chances. The King has slightly the worse pawn
>structure being hampered somewhat by an isolated d-pawn. In compensation, he has
>the two bishops which if the position opens up could become very powerful.
>Black's pawn formation is more compact (only two pawn islands) yet his kingside
>is rather airy and he is somewhat weak on the dark squares. Most of his pawns
>have moved to light squares and he is lacking his KB. A factor which could
>become deadly should the position open up. I don't see an active plan for him.
>If he advances his king-side pawns to attack the White castled position, the
>resulting open lines and weak dark squares would probably rebound on him. In
>view of this, Black should simply hold pat and play a waiting game.
>
>Instead, Shredder uncorks 31... Bxf3?!  This leads to an  unbalanced material
>situation with blurred positional values. The move is a pretty idea with a
>forced variation that leads to this position:
>
[D] 4n2k/pp5p/2pq2p1/5p2/8/P1N2P1P/1PR2B2/5BK1 b - -
>
>Black has a Q+N+6Ps vs R+2Bs+N+4Ps. The difference is Q+Ps vs R+2Bs, statically
>that's 13=13. But, White's two bishops acting in concert in an open position is
>certainly worth more than "6". Black's pawns are better. White's pawns are
>broken up on the king-side, but are they really weak? Black has hardly anything
>left to attack them with. I would think it's only a matter of time, before White
>unravels his temporarily awkwardly placed pieces and gets them co-ordinated to
>penetrate the Black position. This is exactly what happened in the game.
>
>At 14 ply and over 20 minutes later, Shredder still wants to go into the line.
>
>  7.01	 0:01 	+0.61 	31...c5 32.Nxd5 Nxd5 33.Ree1 cxd4 34.Bb5 Rd8 35.Qd3 Qf4
>(279.488) 226.8
>  8.01	 0:02 	+0.36--	31...c5 32.Nxd5 Nxd5 33.Bb5 Nxd4 34.Rxe7 Qxe7 35.Bxd4+
>cxd4 (544.711) 236.4
>  8.01	 0:03 	+0.29 	31...c5 32.Nxd5 Nxd5 33.Bb5 Nxd4 34.Rxe7 Rxe7 35.Qxc5 Nxb5
>36.Bd4+ Kg8 37.Qxb5 (736.657) 241.1
>  9.01	 0:06 	+0.04--	31...c5 32.Rxd5 Nxd5 33.dxc5 Qd8 34.Rd1 Kg8 35.Nxd5 Rc7
>36.Nxc7 Qxc7 (1.689.322) 252.5
>  9.01	 0:07 	-0.46--	31...c5 32.Rxd5 Nxd5 33.dxc5 Qd8 34.Rd1 Kg8 35.Nxd5 Nc7
>36.Nxe7+ Kg7 37.Rxd8 (1.938.159) 256.3
>  9.01	 0:09 	-1.52 	31...c5 32.Rxd5 Nxd5 33.dxc5 Qd8 34.Rd1 Rd7 35.Bb5 Nef4
>36.Bg3 Ree7 37.Qb3 Nh5 38.Nxd5 Nxg3 (2.521.639) 257.9
>  9.02	 0:10 	-1.51++	31...Nf4 32.Qd2 Nxh3+ 33.gxh3 Bxf3 34.Rxe7 Qxe7 35.h4
>(2.688.863) 256.9
>  9.02	 0:10 	-1.16++	31...Nf4 32.Qd2 Nxh3+ 33.gxh3 Bxf3 34.Rxe7 Rxe7 35.d5
>(2.745.905) 256.7
>  9.02	 0:14 	+0.01 	31...Nf4 32.Qd2 Nh5 33.Nxd5 Nxd5 34.Rce1 Nhf4 35.Rxe7 Rxe7
>36.Bc4 Kg7 (3.712.586) 253.2
>  9.04	 0:16 	+0.02++	31...h6 32.Qd2 Kh7 33.Rce1 a6 34.Nxd5 Nxd5 35.Kh1 Qd8
>(4.213.439) 249.9
>  9.04	 0:19 	+0.15 	31...h6 32.Kh1 a6 33.Bd3 Nf4 34.Nxd5 Ncxd5 35.Rxe7 Rxe7
>36.Bh4 g5 (4.810.289) 248.6
> 10.01	 0:32 	+0.05 	31...h6 32.Kh1 Kh7 33.Rce1 b6 34.Bh4 Rd7 35.Nxd5 Nxd5
>36.Qd2 (7.968.004) 244.9
> 11.01	 0:59 	-0.08 	31...h6 32.Kh1 Kg8 33.Qa4 a6 34.Bh4 g5 35.Bf2 (14.366.223)
>241.9
> 11.09	 1:41 	-0.07++	31...Bxf3 32.gxf3 Nxd4 33.Rxe7 Nxc2 34.Rxe8+ Nxe8 35.Rxc2
>a6 36.Ne4 Qf4 37.Bc4 Qxf3 (24.558.569) 242.3
> 11.09	 1:47 	+0.09 	31...Bxf3 32.gxf3 Nxd4 33.Rxe7 Nxc2 34.Rxe8+ Nxe8 35.Rxc2
>b6 36.Kg2 g5 37.Be3 Qe7 38.Bd4+ (26.158.540) 243.2
> 12.01	 2:22 	-0.01 	31...Bxf3 32.gxf3 Nxd4 33.Rxe7 Nxc2 34.Rxe8+ Nxe8 35.Rxc2
>a5 36.Re2 Nf6 37.Bg2 Kg7 (35.253.501) 247.0
> 13.01	 5:21 	-0.02 	31...Bxf3 32.gxf3 Nxd4 33.Rxe7 Nxc2 34.Rxe8+ Nxe8 35.Rxc2
>b6 36.Kg2 Kg7 37.Bc4 Qxa3 (80.501.451) 250.3
> 14.01	10:47 	-0.10 	31...Bxf3 32.gxf3 Nxd4 33.Rxe7 Nxc2 34.Rxe8+ Nxe8 35.Rxc2
>b6 36.Kg2 Nf6 37.Bc4 Nh5 38.Ne2 c5 39.Be3 (167.491.119) 258.8
>best move: Bd5xf3 time: 21:24.978 min  n/s: 252.647  CPU 98.8%  nodes:
>324.643.725
>
>How do other engines fair?

Baron 0.99.3 on slow hardware (Mobile Pentium II 500Mhz) selects a6 with a
slightly negative score even after 1 hour:

 ply       time     nodes  score  pv
  5( 6)&      0     21133      9  f5f4 c2a4 a7a6 f1d3 h8g8
  5( 8)&      0     52820     12  a7a6 c2d1 h8g8 f1d3 f5f4
  5( 8).      0     67802     12  a7a6 c2d1 h8g8 f1d3 f5f4
  6(10)&      1    139412     -1  a7a6 g1h1 f5f4 f1d3
  6(10)&      1    215111      1  c6c5 c3d5 c7d5 f1c4 d5c7 c4e6
  6(10).      2    246978      1  c6c5 c3d5 c7d5 f1c4 d5c7 c4e6
  7(10)&      3    335026      1  c6c5 c3d5 c7d5 f1c4 d5c7 c4e6 c7e6
  7(12).      6    680334      1  c6c5 c3d5 c7d5 f1c4 d5c7 c4e6 c7e6
  8(12)&      9   1018036     10  c6c5 c3d5 c7d5 f1b5 e6d4 e5e7 e8e7 c2c5
  8(13).     11   1282422     10  c6c5 c3d5 c7d5 f1b5 e6d4 e5e7 e8e7 c2c5
  9(14)&     20   2378549    -17  h8g8 c2a4 a7a6 c1e1 b7b5 a4a5
  9(14)&     55   5960138    -16  e6f4 c2a4 a7a6 c1e1 d6f6 e5e7 e8e7 e1e7
  9(15).     90   9839455    -16  e6f4 c2a4 a7a6 c1e1 d6f6 e5e7 e8e7 e1e7
 10(16)&    148  16232212    -25  e6f4 c1e1 d6f6 e5e7 e8e7 e1e7 f6e7 c2a4 a7a6
a4a5
 10(16)&    185  20634985    -22  a7a6 c1e1 f5f4 f1d3 d6d7 c3a4 h8g8 a4b6 d7d8
b2b3
 10(17).    318  35303939    -22  a7a6 c1e1 f5f4 f1d3 d6d7 c3a4 h8g8 a4b6 d7d8
b2b3
 11(17)&    394  42925321    -20  a7a6 c1e1 h8g8 c2a4 f5f4 f2h4 e7d7 f1d3 d5b3
 11(18).    908  98808383    -20  a7a6 c1e1 h8g8 c2a4 f5f4 f2h4 e7d7 f1d3 d5b3
 12(18)&   1111 119629200    -29  a7a6 c1e1 h8g8 c2a4 f5f4 f2h4 e7d7 h4g5 b7b5
 12(20).   3594 382840776    -29  a7a6 c1e1 h8g8 c2a4 f5f4 f2h4 e7d7 h4g5 b7b5

After Bxf3 (and a clean hash :-) ) Baron scores a nice plus for white:

 ply       time     nodes  score  pv
  5( 9)&      0     27302     91  g2f3 e6d4 e5e7 d4c2 e7e8 c7e8
  5( 9).      0     48859     91  g2f3 e6d4 e5e7 d4c2 e7e8 c7e8
  6(11)&      0     58418     91  g2f3 e6d4 e5e7 d4c2 e7e8 c7e8 c1c2
  6(11).      0    112835     91  g2f3 e6d4 e5e7 d4c2 e7e8 c7e8 c1c2
  7(12)&      1    142934     85  g2f3 e6d4 e5e7 d4c2 e7e8 c7e8 c1c2 a7a5
  7(12).      2    295983     85  g2f3 e6d4 e5e7 d4c2 e7e8 c7e8 c1c2 a7a5
  8(14)&      3    417260    114  g2f3 e6d4 e5e7 d4c2 e7e8 c7e8 c1c2 a7a5 f2e3
  8(14).      8    961608    114  g2f3 e6d4 e5e7 d4c2 e7e8 c7e8 c1c2 a7a5 f2e3
  9(15)&     12   1441306    102  g2f3 e6d4 e5e7 d4c2 e7e8 c7e8 c1c2 b7b6 f2e3
d6g3
  9(15).     25   3038760    102  g2f3 e6d4 e5e7 d4c2 e7e8 c7e8 c1c2 b7b6 f2e3
d6g3
 10(17)&     38   4676275    114  g2f3 e6d4 e5e7 d4c2 e7e8 c7e8 c1c2 b7b6 c2e2
e8c7
 10(17).     73   8906561    114  g2f3 e6d4 e5e7 d4c2 e7e8 c7e8 c1c2 b7b6 c2e2
e8c7
 11(18)&    100  12598314     98  g2f3 e6d4 e5e7 d4c2 e7e8 c7e8 c1c2 b7b6 c2e2
e8f6 e2e1 f6d5
 11(18).    233  28709885     98  g2f3 e6d4 e5e7 d4c2 e7e8 c7e8 c1c2 b7b6
 12(19)&    316  39060252    112  g2f3 e6d4 e5e7 d4c2 e7e8 c7e8 c1c2 b7b6 g1g2
e8f6 f1c4

Finally the position after the capture moves:

 ply       time     nodes  score  pv

  5( 8)&      0      6620    -98  b7b6 c2e2 e8c7 e2e1 c7d5
  5( 8).      0     11260    -98  b7b6 c2e2 e8c7 e2e1 c7d5
  6(10)&      0     29820   -109  b7b6 g1g2 e8f6 f1c4
  6(11).      0     38110   -109  b7b6 g1g2 e8f6 f1c4
  7(11)&      0     59571   -106  b7b6 g1g2 e8f6 f1c4 d6f4 b2b3 f4d6
  7(12).      0    107248   -106  b7b6 g1g2 e8f6 f1c4 d6f4 b2b3 f4d6
  8(13)&      1    262227   -113  b7b6 g1g2 e8f6 c2e2 f5f4 b2b4 a7a5 e2b2
  8(13).      2    405627   -113  b7b6 g1g2 e8f6 c2e2 f5f4 b2b4 a7a5 e2b2
  9(15)&      6    787960   -105  b7b6 g1g2 e8f6 c2e2 f5f4 b2b4 g6g5 e2e1 d6d2
  9(15).      9   1232084   -105  b7b6 g1g2 e8f6 c2e2 f5f4 b2b4 g6g5 e2e1 d6d2
 10(16)&     22   3095210   -112  b7b6 g1g2 e8f6 c2e2 d6d7 f2g3 f6d5 c3d5 c6d5
e2e1
 10(16).     36   5142233   -112  b7b6 g1g2 e8f6 c2e2 d6d7 f2g3 f6d5 c3d5 c6d5
e2e1
 11(17)&     64   8983748   -130  b7b6 c2c1 d6d2 c1e1 e8f6 e1d1 d2f4 f2d4
 11(18).    193  25383469   -130  b7b6 c2c1 d6d2 c1e1 e8f6 e1d1 d2f4 f2d4
 12(19)&    252  33620761   -134  b7b6 c2c1 e8f6 c1d1 d6f4 g1g2 f4g5 g2h2 g5f4
f2g3 f4e3 d1d3 e3c5
 12(19).    845 108961260   -134  b7b6 c2c1 e8f6 c1d1 d6f4 g1g2 f4g5 g2h2 g5f4
f2g3 f4e3 d1d3
 13(20)&   1375 179182581   -112  b7b6 g1g2 e8f6 f1a6 h8g7 c3e2 f6d5 b2b4 g7f7
e2d4 d5f4
 13(21).   1967 254891377   -112  b7b6 g1g2 e8f6 f1a6 h8g7 c3e2 f6d5 b2b4 g7f7
e2d4 d5f4

Richard.



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