Author: Aaron Gordon
Date: 18:24:52 12/04/02
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On December 04, 2002 at 20:30:25, John C. wrote: >On December 04, 2002 at 16:42:44, Aaron Gordon wrote: > >>I spent a few minutes putting together a decent value system thats pretty fast >>and has quite a few high quality, name brand items.. All the items are listed >>off www.pricewatch.com, check this out.. >> >>AthlonXP 2100+ ------- $87 > >1900 or 2000 is good for overclockers, modify the L1 bridges > >>Epox 8K3A ------------ $67 > >The other Epox board, the one with the number 5 in it, maybe an H, is better for >overclocking, apparently. I have a KT400 mobo, but it isn't really faster. > >>256mb PC2100 --------- $48 > >You should get the faster ram instead, if you can afford it, it isn't much more >costly. > >>17" Dell monitor ----- $79 > >I can find them discarded in the urban core for free, especially 15 and 14" >monitors. > >>Maxtor 60GB HD ------- $72 > >See eBay for better prices. > >>3Com 3c905B ---------- $16 >>Mid-Tower ATX + 400w - $22 > >You are going to have to spend more than that for a decent p/s, no point in >being stingy here, in N. America, the best available is the Antec TruePower as >it is quieter. In Europe there are two quieter brands, and one outrageously >expensive, quietest brand, see tomshardware.com for all of this info. > >>Geforce4 MX440 64mb -- $50 > >eBay has really nice deals for the more expensive ones too! > >>Aopen 48x12x50 CDRW -- $47 > >I had read that John Dvorak wrote that the engineers in the know recommend >slower speeds, and particularly the Plextor 32x 10x 32x (I can't remember the >numbers exactly, but they are low) is engineered extremely solidly. These >faster speeds can really chew up a drive or disk, explosions...so I heard. > >>Large heatsink/fan --- $6 > >I saw frostytech.com as being a bit more interesting than the little review >sites. You'll need a copper based heatsink, and I know that you can't get them >that cheap. Avoid the eBay sellers of Thermoengine designed heatsinks, they >don't know how to label, advise or service customers. Still, I love the >thermoengine licensed designs and only lower costs/high production runs can >explain the popularity of the volcano 7 or 9. Coolermaster's heat-pipe designed >heatsinks are interesting, but you can't place them on some motherboards due to >capacitors being too close to the socket. >Look at closer to $40-50 though frostytech mentions one or two great cheapos. > >Arctic Silver 3 between the heatsink and the CPU: > >The only reason I can see why AMD doesn't recommend this is because ArcticSilver >is too small to get ISO 900x certification. AMD's main complaint >is that greases are electrically conductive, but AS# is not e-conductive. > >However, you are going to have to clean the base with xylene before you apply >the grease sparingly. > > >>Total: $494 >> >>Would be cheaper AND faster than the Gateway system, has a good network so you >>don't need to fiddle with drivers (windows will automatically install the >>3c905), the heatsink/fan is pretty large (3" tall, 2x2" wide, comes w/ 60mm 7k >>rpm fan), motherboard can support an 2800+ Athlon XP easily as well incase you >>want to upgrade later. Video card is fast enough to do what you need to do >>(unless you're a professional gamer going to tournaments often or like playing >>games in 1280x1024x32 w/ FSAA). If you do it yourself you save a ton of money :) I understand your comments no doubt but this wasn't recommended to be an overclockers system at all.. just something very cheap & a bit better than the Gateway system. Something the average person could throw together for next to nothing and not have to bother with for quite some time. The heatsink/fan for that box is adequate if you don't plan on overclocking as I said before. I have the exact same thing on a CPU that is 81.74 watts (Tbird 1.2 @ 1.33GHz, 1.85v) and it runs 48c full load. This is fine for the average PC user. Also an XP 2100+ is 9.7 watts less than the Tbird setup I just mentioned. If you want the BEST heatsink/fan setup definitely go for the SLK-800 with the Vantec Tornado 80mm, 84cfm (55dB) fan. Yes, Arctic silver 3 is the best way to go as far as compound. I find a paper thin later applied with a razor blade works best. I also lapped my CPU to further drop my CPU temp 5c (now my chip (1900+) is around 25C full load at 1833MHz, 2.1 volts). Using a Dangerden Maze waterblock, 200GPH water pump, 8x8" copper radiator (heater core from an old car) with a YS Tech 120mm 131cfm fan on it and another YS Tech blowing on the caps/mosfets around the cpu. Now, if I were to build an overclockers system I'd grab an Epox 8K9A2 with an AXDA2000DUT3C AthlonXP 2000+ (Possible Tbred-B core) or a 2400+ just to be sure I got a Tbred-B, some Corsair PC3500XMS memory, Radeon 9700 Pro (or if the money is tight an Albatron Geforce4 Ti4200 overclocked to 360/750), and slap on my liquid cooler. If you get a good Tbred-B core you could expect to run 220(440DDR)x11.5(2.53GHz), if a Tbred-A then more likely 220(440DDR)x9-9.5(1980-2090) (at least w/ liquid). As far as getting stuff on ebay.. that can be a hassle and at times time consuming. Not something the average pc user that barely (if at all) knows how to build a computer. With companies online you can just order the stuff and get it sent out the next day without waiting for an auction to end.
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