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Subject: Re: Intel C++ 7.0 compiler questions...

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 09:01:10 12/23/02

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On December 23, 2002 at 09:45:25, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On December 22, 2002 at 08:42:23, Joel wrote:
>
>>Hey all,
>>
>>Was reading some of the previous threads where the general consensus seemed to
>>be that the Intel C++ 7.0 compiler did a much better job at optimising than the
>>VC 6.0 Sp4 compiler did.
>
>at intel hardware i do not doubt it.
>
>But it is at your own risk of course whether it is producing correctly
>working code for all of your users who also have k7s and perhaps assume
>the program must not crash.
>
>At my K7 the intel compiler crashes time and time again. Also it's slower
>than the gcc compiler when using branch profile info (-fbranch-probabilities)
>after first generating the info.
>
>intel without that branch profile info is just like gcc without that info
>slower at the k7 than msvc 6 sp4 processor pack.
>
>the processor pack is crucial for sp4 because it adds a 2% in speed
>and the speed differences between default gcc compile and intel c++ compiles
>versus msvc sp4 with the procpack is measured at 1% and 0.5%
>
>but then that profile info increasing the speed for gcc (which is a
>time consuming thing, also for the intel compiler of course) is giving
>an additional 20% speedup blowing away the other compilers.
>
>Now let's touch correctness. For a long period of time GCC was a very bad
>compiler. Especially many 2.96 versions were very broken. And very buggy.
>
>Before the 2.95.x versions also there were numerous bugs in gcc with regards
>to parallel behaviour (i use 'volatile' variables a lot because diep is
>SMP). Also they were dead slow. the 2.95.x versions are dead slow for me
>when compared to a default msvc 6 compile. Like 12.5% difference is
>no coincidence at a k7. And 10% at a P3.
>
>But the 3.xx versions are great. If i understand well AMD contributed to
>some linux distributions money in order to improve the gcc compiler for
>their processors. Of course i have no exact info here i just read around
>at the internet for this.
>
>But the sad thing is that an old 586 compiler msvc6 with a processor pack
>that just speeds it up 2% is faster on AMD hardware than the most recent
>compilers without that reordering pass.
>
>Of course this is for DIEP.
>
>Crafty uses weird 64 bits structures called bitboards it is trivial that
>older compilers didn't know how to emulate that very well on 32 bits
>processors. It's here only where Bob can claim the intel compiler is
>fast for him.


I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.  Every gcc compiler
after 2.5 worked perfectly with long longs.  As does every compiler I have
tried in the past 5 years porting crafty to every unix machine made.

The intel compiler _is_ faster than gcc 3 for me.  And for everyone here at
UAB that has tested the two.

Too many data points from others, only one from you. I tend to believe the
majority.



>
>for GCC i use next format to compile:
>
>CFLAGS   = -pg -fprofile-arcs -O2 -march=athlon -mcpu=athlon -frename-registers
>-DUNIXPII -fno-gcse -foptimize-register-move
>
>then i run diep for half an hour.
>
>then i recompile it using:
>
>CFLAGS    = -O2 -march=athlon -fbranch-probabilities -frename-registers
>-DUNIXPII -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-gcse -foptimize-register-move
>
>in case of boundschecking:
>
>#CFLAGS   = -g -DUNIXPII -O2 -fbounds-checking -Wall
>
># intel c++ nu
>#CC	= icc
>#CPP     = icc
>#CFLAGS  = -g -DUNIXPII
>#CFLAGS  = -O3 -tpp6 -axi -xi -rcd -prof_genx -DUNIXPII
>#CFLAGS  = -O3 -tpp6 -axi -xi -rcd -prof_use -DUNIXPII
>
>Best regards,
>Vincent
>
>>My compiler knowledge is very limited - I have written a C compiler before (uni
>>assignment), but optimisation wasn't an issue. I have no real idea how an
>>optimising compiler goes about it's work.
>>
>>For the record I have an Athlon XP 2100+, and my engine is bitboard based.
>>
>>Having said that, I installed the Intel compiler, and tried compiling my latest
>>version of Bodo, and then ran my dodgy little speed benchmark on it. It was
>>actually slower than the VC 6.0 compiler, though I have reason to suspect my
>>incompetence is the issue, largely due to statements like:
>>
>>"Did you use the intel C++ 7.0? Of course not.  Did you do the profile-feedback
>>optimizations?  Probably not."
>
>>What I am asking is how do I do this profile-feedback optimisations, and or any
>>other optimisations which you guys do?
>
>>What would be particularly helpful is other people could give me the compiler
>>command line parameters they use to generate fast code.
>
>>I really need to buy a book on optimising compilers so I understand what the
>>hell is happening here. :|
>
>>Any help greatly appreciated,
>>Joel Veness



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