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Subject: Re: about using killers in Rebel and about programming

Author: Antonio Dieguez

Date: 16:30:52 12/31/02

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On December 31, 2002 at 19:22:26, Uri Blass wrote:

>On December 31, 2002 at 18:59:07, Antonio Dieguez wrote:
>
>>On December 31, 2002 at 17:49:52, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>From Ed programmer stuff
>>>
>>>Killer-One [current ply]      110
>>>Killer-One [current ply-2]    108
>>>Killer-Two [current ply]      106
>>>Killer-Two [current ply-2]    104
>>>
>>>I until today used only
>>>
>>>Killer-One [current ply]
>>>Killer-Two [current ply]
>>>
>>>I am interested to know if using 4 killers is a new idea or maybe this idea is
>>>known to be used by other programs.
>>
>>It is obviusly not a new idea, but a candidate to new idea is using exactly
>>those 4 killers, and the exact details of the rest of Rebel ordering.
>>
>>I use
>>
>>Killer-One   [current ply]
>>Killer-Two   [current ply]
>>Killer-Three [current ply]
>>Killer-Four  [current ply]
>>Killer-One   [current ply+2]
>
>You say that you use ply+2 and not ply-2

yes.

> or maybe you say that you the first 4
>are like Ed as "exactly those 4 killers suggest.

I don't understand this but surely not.

>>When a killer causes a cut-off it win two places.
>>When a killer is the best move (with exact score) it win 3 places.
>
>Do you say that a killer that give something above alpha but not above beta
>win 3 places in case that you find nothing better than it?

yes.

>>Also when the recommended move of the hashtable causes inmediate cutoff it win 3
>>places.
>
>I thought that every time a move cause cutoff it is considered as the first
>killer move for that ply and the question if it is because of hash or because of
>other reasons is not relevant.

I though the hash was something apart.
And as I see in Ed's page, he has it apart too, with 127 points.

About my implementation, at least for Amyan i have it well tested and changing
only one detail doesn't make it better. And it worked definitely better than
using 3 killers of current ply (I used 3 killers for a long time and tried
various combinations, altough always for the same ply)



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